NEWS Legislation To Restore Concealed Carry in National Parks Introduced

[Bohemian]

Originally Posted by rockwerks

So what about felons? known criminals? should they have the right to carry concealed weapons? or Open carry?

The founding fathers were clear on this subject too...
Criminals are considered Civilly Dead...

Although, I do not think that it applies to the Second Amendment personally, as the Second Amendment simply affirms a pre-existing inalienable right... just because somebody commits a crime, does their time and is released back into society, does not mean that they can no longer defend their life, should the need arise...

[rockwerks]

Do persons have the right to not allow weapons on their private property?

[Bohemian]

Originally Posted by rockwerks

Do persons have the right to not allow weapons on their private property?

Not in my opinion, that would infer that you do not have the right to defend your life in certain locations...

for instance, one or two of the casinos here in las vegas have signs that say you can not have a weapon such as a firearm on premises...

but it is unenforceable, the most they can do is ask you to leave, if you refuse they can have you arrested for trespassing, but not for carrying a firearm...

[rlsmaritime]

S. 816: A bill to preserve the rights granted under second amendment to the Constitution........

While we all appreciate the efforts to handle the national park issue, we clearly need to continue to educate our senators as to the history of the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights "granted" nothing. The Bill of Rights recognized and guaranteed rights that existed prior to the adoption of the Constitution. Had the Bill of Rights not been adopted, it is unlikely that the Union would have been formed. Those states who ratified the Constitution considered, at the time, that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights formed a contract of sorts between the States and the federal government that limited the powers of the the central government. The Congress seems to ignore this with impunity.

[Bohemian]

Originally Posted by rlsmaritime

S. 816: A bill to preserve the rights granted under second amendment to the Constitution........

While we all appreciate the efforts to handle the national park issue, we clearly need to continue to educate our senators as to the history of the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights "granted" nothing. The Bill of Rights recognized and guaranteed rights that existed prior to the adoption of the Constitution. Had the Bill of Rights not been adopted, it is unlikely that the Union would have been formed. Those states who ratified the Constitution considered, at the time, that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights formed a contract of sorts between the States and the federal government that limited the powers of the the central government. The Congress seems to ignore this with impunity.

+1 Amen Brother...

[Buckeye Charly]

I just read this in part: "A federal judge, in a biting opinion highly critical of the Bush administration's Interior Department, has blocked a rule change that would have allowed national park visitors to carry concealed weapons."

How does a drive through a Federal Park on an official road not violate this law? Does this mean we have to stop, unload and keep the gun and ammo separate, like one in glove box and the other in trunk (if you have a trunk) to be in compliance? Then upon leaving the Park geography, stop and redo this action? Then a few miles later repeat this idiocy? I recall some "Park" Boundaries not being to well advertised, especially at night.

This could make innocent violators subject to jail, fines or both could it not.

Comments and suggestions welcome to clear this up for me.

BC

[Bohemian]

Originally Posted by Buckeye Charly

I just read this in part: "A federal judge, in a biting opinion highly critical of the Bush administration's Interior Department, has blocked a rule change that would have allowed national park visitors to carry concealed weapons."

How does a drive through a Federal Park on an official road not violate this law? Does this mean we have to stop, unload and keep the gun and ammo separate, like one in glove box and the other in trunk (if you have a trunk) to be in compliance? Then upon leaving the Park geography, stop and redo this action? Then a few miles later repeat this idiocy? I recall some "Park" Boundaries not being to well advertised, especially at night.

This could make innocent violators subject to jail, fines or both could it not.

Comments and suggestions welcome to clear this up for me.

BC

My view is that of the founding fathers: ... "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"...
Your right to defend your life does not stop, when your zip code and or mile marker does...

This is yet another attempt at the continued infringement of the Second Amendment and the ultimate confiscation of all firearms by the Socialist Usurper Obama Administration...

Thomas Jefferson would say its time for a NEW DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, A NEW AMERICAN TEA PARTY!

[rockwerks]

Originally Posted by Bohemian

My view is that of the founding fathers: ... "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"...
Your right to defend your life does not stop, when your zip code and or mile marker does...

This is yet another attempt at the continued infringement of the Second Amendment and the ultimate confiscation of all firearms by the Socialist Usurper Obama Administration...

Thomas Jefferson would say its time for a NEW DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, A NEW AMERICAN TEA PARTY!

So you have a more of a right to carry on my property than I have to ask you not too?

[Bohemian]

Originally Posted by rockwerks

So you have a more of a right to carry on my property than I have to ask you not too?

Property Rights of Individuals, are not specifically spelled out in the constitution in any way shape or form, which means they come under the control of the applicable state...

Your pre-existing Inalienable right to defend your life; however, is reaffirmed by the Second Amendment.

Nobody has control over your inalienable rights but you, although many would lead you to believe otherwise...

Including but not limited to the Usurper Obama, whom has repeatably stated "just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right"... Gun Ban Obama & Company just don't get that whole INALIENABLE RIGHT THING... AND THINK THAT "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" is subject to interpretation THEIRS ...

They need to be reminded that the power of the Government comes from the people, not vice-versa...

Without the Unabridged Second Amendment as written, the entire Constitution is meaningless, unenforceable...

The Unabridged Second Amendment

[utimmer43]

Originally Posted by rockwerks

So you have a more of a right to carry on my property than I have to ask you not too?

Seems like your beating a dead horse. See post#23, where Bo already answered your question about private property.

First off, if you don't know me and I'm on your property and I have a gun in hand, I'm a threat. You'd be justified in just shooting me. Forget about asking me to get rid of it.

But, if you DO know me, and somehow find out that I have a gun in my waistband, you can ask that I get rid of it 'till you're blue in the face, and I would just laugh at the color of your face. At that point, you would ask me to leave. Then I'd either leave in peace, or you would have me arrested for tresspassing. But that is all it would be, tresspassing. The presence of the gun has nothing to do with it.