Obama Appoints 2 Devout Muslims to Homeland Security Posts

[mikeyb17]

To test this issue is easily done. Place this headline and see if it works " Devout Catholic American appointed to Homeland Security Post" in the Damascus Syria Times - Not a real paper just a thought. Does this work - of course NOT - Fellow Americans - would this ever happen , NO . So why is it so easy to believe that the Devout Muslim headline works here in the USA ? I have heard of "Keep your friends close , but your enemies even closer " BUT NOT IN CHARGE !!!!!

[Bohemian]

I hope they screen these Devout Muslims better then the Army did U.S. Born, Lifetime Devout Muslim U.S. Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan (and Psychiatrist) whom shot some 43 unarmed people with two hand guns while yelling "Allah Is Greatest" this week at Ft. Hood, Texas...

A "Good American" according to one of his Devout Muslim Cousins, interviewed by the media...

[HK4U]

Having Muslims in our military. I guess when we were fighting Germany during WWII we should have had members of the SS in the military.

[ronwill]

Originally Posted by HK4U

Having Muslims in our military. I guess when we were fighting Germany during WWII we should have had members of the SS in the military.

There were German Americans who fought on the U.S. side just as there were Japanese Americans who fought on the U.S. side. Many of these Americans were decorated for their heroism. The SS was a political position not a religious position just as Communism is political not religious. Freedom of worship is no less important than any other freedom. It's when extremists turn religion into something it was never meant to be that causes problems.

[festus]

Originally Posted by ronwill

There were German Americans who fought on the U.S. side just as there were Japanese Americans who fought on the U.S. side. Many of these Americans were decorated for their heroism. The SS was a political position not a religious position just as Communism is political not religious. Freedom of worship is no less important than any other freedom. It's when extremists turn religion into something it was never meant to be that causes problems.

I would only ask that they swear to support and defend the constition down to the letter. That pretty much covers it. On the flip side of the coin when is the last time you heard of a Radical Christian Terrorist attacking and taking hostages or a Roman Catholic suicide Bomber?????

I rest my case!!!

[ronwill]

Originally Posted by festus

I would only ask that they swear to support and defend the constition down to the letter. That pretty much covers it. On the flip side of the coin when is the last time you heard of a Radical Christian Terrorist attacking and taking hostages or a Roman Catholic suicide Bomber?????

I rest my case!!!

I guess the most recent case in history would be the KKK. They used religion and the Bible to try and justify their actions. All I'm trying to say is that any religion can be twisted into something that suits a persons desires and needs. Islam is no different in that matter. Just listen to some of the Muslim soldiers who have spoken out after the horrendous Fort Hood incident. They have served and fought in Iraq and Afghanistan with honor because it's what our great nation has asked of them. Judging a person based solely on religion is no different than judging a person based on skin color. Either way it's wrong.

[festus]

Originally Posted by ronwill

I guess the most recent case in history would be the KKK. They used religion and the Bible to try and justify their actions. All I'm trying to say is that any religion can be twisted into something that suits a persons desires and needs. Islam is no different in that matter. Just listen to some of the Muslim soldiers who have spoken out after the horrendous Fort Hood incident. They have served and fought in Iraq and Afghanistan with honor because it's what our great nation has asked of them. Judging a person based solely on religion is no different than judging a person based on skin color. Either way it's wrong.

Nowhere in the bible does it say that it is ok to commit an act of terrorism to further the cause of the lord.

The Quran is filled with passages that ask the devoted to raise hell with the infidels and to be ruthless and savage

Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.’”

Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”

Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah’s enemy.”

Qur’an 8:60 “Prepare against them (non-Muslims) whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah (non-Muslims), and others besides them not known to you. Whatever you spend in Allah’s Cause will be repaid in full, and no wrong will be done to you.”

Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.’”

Qur’an 4:101 “The unbelievers (non-Muslims) are your inveterate foe.”

Qur’an 8:60 “Prepare against them (non-Muslims) whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah (non-Muslims), and others besides them not known to you. Whatever you spend in Allah’s Cause will be repaid in full, and no wrong will be done to you.”

Bukhari:V4B56N814 “There was a Christian who embraced Islam and he used to write the revelations for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again he used to say: ‘Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him.’”

Qur’an 9.28 O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque (Mecca) after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.
NOTE: In 631 A.D. (less than one year before his death, Muhammad had a revelation. No infidels allowed into Mecca (9:28). This also included the idolators, i.e., the orginal rock worshippers of the Kabaa who had not submitted to Islam. They were history, what few were left by this time.

Qur’an 9.29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Qur’an 9.30 And the Jews say: Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

Qur’an 47:4 “Strike off the heads of the disbelievers”; and after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives.”

Hadith Sahih Muslim (41:6985) Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

Hadith Sahih Bukhari (4:52:176) Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar:
Allah’s Apostle said, “You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’ “

Hadith Sahih Bukhari (4:52:177) Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

Hadith Sahih Bukhari (4:56:791) Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar:
I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!’ “

Hadith Sahih Muslim (41:6981) Ibn ‘Umar reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

Hadith Sahih Muslim (41:6982) Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
“There is a Jew behind me.”

Hadith Sahih Muslim (41:6983) Abdullah b. ‘Umar reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

Hadith Sahih Muslim (41:6984) Abdullah b. ‘Umar reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

Hadith Sahih Muslim (41:6985) Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

Bukhari:V9B84N59 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: “None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.” Whoever says this will save his property and his life from me.’”

Jihad, Jihad and more Jihad

Qur’an 47:4 So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.

Qur’an 21:44 Do they not see Us advancing, gradually reducing the land (in their control), curtailing its borders on all sides? It is they who will be overcome.

Qur’an 47.35 And be not slack so as to cry for peace and you have the upper hand, and Allah is with you, and He will not bring your deeds to naught.

Bukhari:V4B53N412 “Allah’s Apostle said on the day of the conquest of Mecca, ‘There is no migration now, only Jihad, holy battle. And when you are called for Jihad, you should come out at once.’”

Jihad Against Those Who Corrupt the Land

Context of the verse on the killing of one person being equal to the killing of the whole world. Quran 5:32. This is one of the favorite verses TaqiyyaMasters use to deceive the Infidels:

Sura 5:32 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone slew a person unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief (corruption) in the land it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if anyone saved a life it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then there came to them Our apostles with clear Signs yet even after that many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

However, in Qur'an 5:33 which is clearly tied to 5:32 to create a single message, Muhammad makes clear that those 'mischief makers', i.e. the Infidels (Jews, Chrisians, pagans, all non-Muslims) are to be killed.

Qur’an 5:33: “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and perpetrate mischief [reject Islam or oppose its goals] in the land, is to murder them, to hang them, to mutilate them, or banish them. Such is their disgrace. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”

Another 5:33 translation (but is it really any different than the one above?):

Sura 5:33 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle and strive with might and main for mischief (corruption) through the land is: execution or crucifixion of the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.


In the later revelations, and as Mohammad became more powerful and more cruel, he really let the Infidels (that’s you and me) have it, especially in the last Sura, the infamous Sura 9.

Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.” This verse is cited more than any other as abrogating less aggressive Qur’anic passages. It is said to have abrogated no fewer than 124 verses of the Qur’an. The reference to the sacred months is said to mean that after this specific period of sacred month, you need not respect any sacred months any more, but can fight whenever it is convenient.

While the sword verse in 9:5 refers to idolaters, another verse, Sura 9:29 was given to permit attacking Jews and Christians (people of the book):

Sura 9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth (even if they are) of the People of the Book until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.

Qur’an 9:77 “He punished them by putting hypocrisy in their hearts until the Day whereon they shall meet Him, because they lied to Allah and failed to perform as promised. Allah knows their secrets. Those who slander and taunt the believers who pay the zakat (for Allah’s Cause) voluntarily and throw ridicule on them, scoffing, Allah will throw back their taunts, and they shall have a painful doom. Whether you ask for their forgiveness or not, (their sin is unforgivable). If you ask seventy times for their forgiveness Allah will not forgive them.”


I am saying that the wholesale distribution of hatred is not towards the Muslim people but conversely it is towards all who are not muslim.

[HK4U]

Originally Posted by festus

I would only ask that they swear to support and defend the constition down to the letter. That pretty much covers it. On the flip side of the coin when is the last time you heard of a Radical Christian Terrorist attacking and taking hostages or a Roman Catholic suicide Bomber?????

I rest my case!!!

The problem would be that they teach that it is o.k,. to lie to an infidel So their taking the oath would not matter much.

[HK4U]

Originally Posted by ronwill

I guess the most recent case in history would be the KKK. They used religion and the Bible to try and justify their actions. All I'm trying to say is that any religion can be twisted into something that suits a persons desires and needs. Islam is no different in that matter. Just listen to some of the Muslim soldiers who have spoken out after the horrendous Fort Hood incident. They have served and fought in Iraq and Afghanistan with honor because it's what our great nation has asked of them. Judging a person based solely on religion is no different than judging a person based on skin color. Either way it's wrong.

Sure that is what they say. What they say and what they really believe is often two different things. They do not consider telling a lie to infidels to be a sin.

[Bohemian]

Every Muslim in the world has no higher calling then to kill a Jew or an American anywhere on earth by any means necessary, till none remain, there is to be no distinguishing between women, children, old, infirm...
They are all infidels...

Osama Bin Laden to ABC News 1998 (Paraphrased, I can find the exact quote should anybody doubt it)

No Religion in the history of the World has condoned more murder then Muslims in the name of Allah and the Koran...