Ability, opportunity, jeopardy.
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There is a lot of talk on forums like this about when to use deadly force.
Any one carrying concealed show know when to shoot or not shoot.
The one thing I have never seen discussed though is aggressive dogs.
If you have a dog that got out of a back yard or an unlocked door and comes charging at you on a run, barking, growling & baring it's teeth, what would you do?
Are you justified in "dispatching" this animal because you fear Grievous Bodily Harm?
Just curious & want to see what others think.
I KNOW what I would do.
Ability, opportunity, jeopardy.
I have actually been put in that exact situation on more than a few occasions when I was a uniformed armed security patrol officer.
On one incident I was responding to a burglar alarm at a private residence. A large 'very angry' dog tried to get me but I was able to narrowly escape the property by running like Carl Lewis and quickly scaling a 6 foot tall & padlocked wrought iron fence.
I tore my best uniform pants in the process but I laughed my a$$ off afterwards because the adrenaline was a real rush.
On another incident I was confronted by a very vicious dog near my patrol car on the public street it started towards my legs so I whipped out my ASP Baton in a very loud & aggressive manner and dared the mutt to come and take me. It backed off while still barking angrily. The owner came out and asked me what WTF was I doing to his dog and I replied very angrily and loudly; "I'm going to fk that g**d**mn dog up if it gets too close to me! You better call it the fk off!" He saw that I was deadly serious and he called his dog back into the house. He called me an a$$hole after that, but I could care less. I have been called far worse... LOL!
On yet another incident I had a burglar alarm in the dark of night. It was a huge gated property. I was about a quarter of the way into the very large backyard when suddenly aggressive barking came from in the house. There where large windows everywhere so I lit up the house with my flashlight and saw a friggin pit bull! Needless to say I immediatly left the property and called it in as a code 4 no problems found. They did not pay me enough to get mauled by a friggin pit bull as far as I was concerned.
I have even had to pepper spray a couple of dogs. It works! :)
Would I shoot an aggressive dog? 'If' I had no other choice, then yes I would.
But if I can get away from the dog, I'll choose escape over using deadly force.
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I would try not to shoot the dog. Would only shoot as a last resort.
Depending on the situation It is probably only doing as trained. I would hate for some ******* to shoot my Rottie just because they were stupid enough to come into my (really hers) back yard.
When I was a teen visiting a friend, their blue heeler came at me. I was walking out of their house with her. I saw him coming & punched him in the jaw hard, I knocked him over & he stood threating me but got the point. He ripped a favorite pair of jeans with his tooth. So he was serious.
I carry a stiff horse whip when walking. I figure I would start with that. But if they were threatening the lives of one my MinPins I would put my self in danger first. But if I had 2 I can shoot.
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In general, legalities change for different places. So it's best to read the statues yourself and decide what is legal or not. If you don't feel confident in your interpretation, consult an attorney or other gun owners in your community.
As for me, I am like the majority so far. Try and escape, but do not hesitate to stop the threat by any means necessary, up to and including killing the animal. I feel, with my dog experience, I can handle a single dog (most dogs), without the use of a firearm. 2 or more changes the game. I would advise, if dogs are a big part of your community, to educate yourself on the animal. Learn what aggression looks like, and what the demographics of your area are. Dogs are not like firearms, they do not have a trigger that makes them immediately go off...there are warning signs, and attributes prior to most attacks. Just like we try and learn the characteristics of a bad guy, we must do that for violent animals too.
If the poll is based off the scenario in the OP, I would not shoot. If this happened in my community, it's a single dog, with a dwelling, in a nice area, most likely taken care of, I can deal with the dog without the use of my firearm.
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In 40+ years of dog rescue, work & rehab, (mostly pits, GSDs & other large breeds), I've been exposed to some VERY dangerous animals. But, I have never been in a predicament where I needed to kill a dog.
The truth is most charges are either PURE bluff or simply a warning. (That's why I love a Pepper "FOAM" or pepper spray because it will quickly & humanely take care of 99.9% of all dog problems.)
I will also say that if a dog is running up while growling, barking or gnashing it's teeth it is most likely a bluff or warning charge. "IF", you stand your ground and DO NOT run "most" dogs will stop short.
On the other hand, a charging animal who has it's head low, ears pinned back & hackles up and back & tail stiff, BUT!---, is NOT growling, barking or gnashing it's teeth, may indeed be coming after you to BITE!
your best bet when caught out in the open and facing a "charging" dog, is to square yourself up against your opponent and take a couple of steps toward the dog, then stop. I usually give a harsh & sharp NNAHH which usually causes a dog to stop cold in it's tracks.
HOWEVER!!!!, if you turn & run or back up & give the dog ANY ground, it will greatly increase your chances of being knocked to the ground and bit.
It's also important to understand how a dog will attempt a bite if standing your ground fails.
Medium to large dogs will ALWAYS jump during an attack. (This could be a jump to grab an arm, neck, shoulder, rump or face.)
This jumping is what will KNOCK you butt on the ground if your running or backing away! (Being knocked down is the LAST thing you want to happen in a dog attack!)
I have used this to my advantage on numerous occasions and have literally side stepped an attack & knocked the dog out of the air. This usually ends any further attacks. But, it will also buy you time to ready a better defense.
I'd cut almost any dog more slack than I would most people
See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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I live in a very rural area (closest neighbor is a rifle shot away), and several times a year someone drops off their city dogs or puppies they don't want. Eventually these dogs always will go feral and pack together, and have been known to become dangerous in their attitude and real dangerous to livestock and pets...not unlike the coyotes. I called the sheriff years ago and asked about the policy of hunting them down at one point to thin the herd.... I was told there was no problem in culling ANY unleashed dogs on our property, but did suggest that we buried them deep enough to avoid a bad stink. (I was also offered help in the form of a weekender with some of the locals banding to push and kill. Real neighborly stuff)
In a city situation, I can play several scenarios out in my head, and I'm really not sure what I'd do...I suppose if the critter got close enough to see the fangs and the hair up on the back, and the other usual signs of aggression with no backing down, I'd shoot, and then go get me an iced tea and a reload.
I'm too old to put up with extra vent holes leaking bodily hydraulics, and, spare parts is hard to come by.
so, happy shootin