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To me, concealed means just that...concealed.
I don't offer to tell them that I'm wearing underwear either. Not being sarcastic, but my weapon is part of ME...just like my underwear.
Informal vote on informing a resident before entering his/her dwelling? Arkansas has an enumerated item regarding concealed carry that one must inform the resident before entering his or her dwelling that one is carrying a concealed sidearm. Do you follow this statute every time you enter someone's house? What's your opinion?
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To me, concealed means just that...concealed.
I don't offer to tell them that I'm wearing underwear either. Not being sarcastic, but my weapon is part of ME...just like my underwear.
i agree with Lowjiber, but it also depends on the person and how well i know them.
The difference being that your host, unless you two have an intimate relationship, is not going to get hurt by you removing your underwear. The law is the law. Do you also ignore signs at store entrances that say "No Guns Allowed"?Originally Posted by Lowjiber
I think this partially depends on what state/locality you live in. If you were to discharge your firearm, accident or otherwise, the owner/renter could be held liable. IANAL; just a hypothesis.
Ultimately IMO this is about respecting someone's home. I'm sure everyone here wants to be responsible and knowledgeable for what goes on in their own home.
A girl one time told a Car load of people that I had a Gun, Immediately people wanted to see it, my answer was I don't show my Gun to anyone. That's the problem, keep it concealed and don't take it out unless it's needed.
If they have a strong opinion and its negative and they know that I do, I won't.
For the most part I just go about my business and remain quiet and concealed. Its the Elmer Fudd approach to concealed carry, shhhhh vewy vewy quiet...
Places that are restricted by federal laws (schools, post office etc) are no go. If a store has a sign I make note of it and make sure my undies are not showing...
You can give peace a chance alright..
I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..
Yes, it does depend on the state you live in. We're talking about Arkansas here, and AR says you must inform the resident before entering his dwelling. I have mixed emotions about that part of the law. In Missouri, one has no obligation to inform the resident, so one could go to the home of an acquaintance, and not be obligated to inform. I want as few people to know for my family's and my own safety. The situation that prompted the whole discussion centered around a death in the extended family, and the reception after the funeral was at someone's home that I didn't know. How does one even begin to broach the subject with the homeowner? "Hi, I'm so-and-so's cousin's husband, and I'm carrying a gun!" Do you get my drift?
I've come to several folks' houses whom I wasn't sure of their opinions on CCW's and was just upfront with them - and not just because it's Arkansas law. I've done so on out-of-state visits where I wasn't required to inform home owners. I have yet to be denied entry. As jlamb said, to me its about respecting another persons home. I'm not all ate up about whether or not someone has the Right to carry a firearm or not, but I'd like to know that someone coming in to my home is armed. That's for a couple of reasons:
1) it allows me to know who else might be counted on to defend my family, other guests and - conceivably - myself and/or my property in case TSHTF;
2) if it's someone I don't know, I might want to get to know them a bit better before I just let them roam about my home. While they might have been vetted by their state of residence, *I* may not know that person at all. I like to think I'm a fairly decent judge of character, so would prolly get a good/bad vibe fairly early on;
3) just because it's the right thing to do, IMNSHO. To how I was raised, it's disrespectful to bring something in to someone's home that might conceivably kill them and theirs.
Just because the state vetted you on a background check - which is all paperwork, I'm pretty certain that in Arkansas they don't go around and talk to the folks on your application sheet, as none of those folks said they'd been contacted - doesn't mean that you're a responsible adult or firearms owner. I've got kids and would rather not take a chance with someone leaving their firearm lying about where my 4 year old might pick it up and then Something Bad Happens.
If it's someone I know - even if they're not a good, close friend - I seriously doubt I'd have a problem with that. If you're someone I know, then you know how I feel about firearms and it won't be an issue. If it's someone I don't know at all, but they're accompanying a friend/acquiantance, I doubt I'd have a problem with that, either, but might well reserve the right to talk to you a bit before feeling fully comfortable.
If I don't know you, I'd want to go over my rules for carrying in my home. They're simple rules, which mostly are confined to "leave it in your holster unless you absolutely have to pull it out" - sorta like how I'll be talking to boys who want to date my daughter in a couple of years and the same talk that MY boys will get when they get old enough to start dating. If you're spending the night in my home, we'd cover where I'd prefer you keep your firearm so that there's no accidents from a child picking it up. I've got a couple of in-car safe's that can easily be adapted to a bedframe and the combo set to something that only you and your SO would know.
Under most circumstances, I would never require a guest to spend the night in my home disarmed if they came across as a responsible CCWer. If I got a bad vibe from them, tho, I prolly would do so. Actually, if I got a bad vibe from that person, I'd prolly ask them to leave and to not come back.
Let me put it like this... If hand grenades were legal to carry, wouldn't you want someone carrying one to inform you of that?
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Griff,
Your posts are very easy to read because you make clear and concise statements, and you use punctuation, and proper spelling. Thank you. I see you are a fan of the XD. Do you compete in IDPA or USPSA? What made you choose the XD over something else like a Glock or S&W M&P?
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