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    Text messages, surveillance tapes widen rift

    Battle between Sheriff Sandra Hutchens and county supervisors could soon end up in court.

    Eight months into office, Sheriff Sandra Hutchens is locked in a bitter power struggle with the same Board of Supervisors that appointed her.

    And the two sides could soon end up in court.

    What started as a debate over Hutchens' plan to reduce concealed weapons permits has morphed into a multi-faceted fight with supervisors, who accuse her department of spying, bullying and misusing public property.

    Twice in recent weeks, Hutchens has publicly apologized to board members. Once, after a deputy used a surveillance camera to zoom on supervisors' notepads during a hearing, and again after command staff used its department BlackBerrys to exchange text messages ridiculing supervisors and critics of her proposal to reduce the number of concealed gun permits.

    Supervisor Chris Norby responded this week by sending a mass e-mail accusing Hutchens of mounting a "misguided jihad" on gun-rights advocates, prompting calls from Hutchens' supporters for Norby to apologize.

    "It's just childish on both sides," said George Wright, chairman of the criminal justice department at Santa Ana College. "(Hutchens) is going to have to tighten things up pretty quickly."

    Some observers say that Hutchens is having a tough time adjusting from her past as a law enforcement bureaucrat to the give and take of politics.

    Even Hutchens has noted that she doesn't see her job as political. She sees herself as sworn to uphold the state's laws in an objective manner.

    "I don't make my decisions based on how the (county) supervisors will react," Hutchens said. "I'm the sheriff first."

    In a letter sent Friday, county CEO Tom Mauk warned Hutchens that her fight with the board is a distraction that she can't afford. Instead of the gun permit issue or the videotape dispute, Hutchens' department should be concentrating on serious budget shortfalls, as well as curbing overtime and expanding the jail, Mauk wrote.

    And so far, "little progress has been made," he wrote.

    The fight between Hutchens and the board intensified this week when the sheriff learned that county executives made copies of the sheriff's surveillance tapes involving supervisors. Hutchens threatened to sue unless county officials agreed to certain conditions on how the tapes are kept and viewed.

    Supervisors late Friday were balking at Hutchens' conditions.

    "There is a crisis of confidence between the board and the sheriff, and that is not a good place to be eight months into office," Norby said.

    For her part, Hutchens has said: "All I'm trying to do is put the policy back in line with what the law says (on concealed weapons). You can kind of see this is getting sliced up into a lot of different issues."

    Hutchens inherited a generous gun-permit policy from ex-Sheriff Mike Carona, who was elected in 1998 on a platform that included allowing as many people as possible to carry weapons. Carona's administration issued 1,100 gun permits, among the most in the state. Hutchens is using tougher guidelines, which has incurred the wrath of supervisors as well as permitholders.

    A hearing Nov.18 brought a crowd of angry gun activists to the Santa Ana boardroom, where they spent hours defending their perceived right to bear arms. During the mammoth meeting, high-level sheriff's officials used their BlackBerrys to send text messages among themselves, often mocking the board and the speakers.

    "We are locked in mortal battle. It is ugly," texted Assistant Sheriff Michael Hillmann, a former LAPD deputy chief recruited by Hutchens to help rebuild the department. In a later text, Hillmann wrote that he wanted to poke his eyeballs out after listening to hours of testimony.

    Hillmann next turned his BlackBerry on Supervisor Janet Nguyen, a critic of Hutchens' gun-permit plan: "I hope Janet has a pet she can call a friend."

    Amid a firestorm of criticism, Hutchens apologized, acknowledging the texts as "unprofessional."

    At the next hearing, Jan. 13, sheriff's officials increased security in the boardroom because of an unspecified threat. Activists were met with large placards warning against carrying weapons into government buildings. Uniformed and undercover deputies roamed the boardroom in what some supervisors called an intimidating show of force. At lease three people were pulled aside by deputies and questioned.

    Gun activists charged that the extra security was intended to dissuade them from testifying, a suspicion strengthened by the release of the text messages.

    During that meeting, a deputy used a surveillance camera to zoom on Norby's notepad and on Nguyen's BlackBerry. Hutchens discovered the intrusion and reported it to the board, along with her apologies.

    Norby and Nguyen accused the department of using government equipment to snoop on them, sparking a new battle over who owns the surveillance recordings. Earlier this month, in a public rebuke of Hutchens, supervisors voted unanimously to take ownership of the surveillance video and took action to remove the Sheriff's Department from providing security for the board.

    This week, the dispute went red hot.

    In a letter written to county supervisors Chairwoman Pat Bates on Feb. 4, Hutchens said she learned that the county computer staff had secured a copy of the recording from the meeting without her knowledge.

    Hutchens said that she is worried that public disclosure of the video recordings could threaten undercover officers and their families. She also threatened litigation.

    Hutchens' letter, called a "missile" by Bates, triggered a fierce response.

    Mauk wrote Hutchens back on Friday, saying he was "highly offended" that she suggested board members or the county staff would willingly put undercover officers in harm's way by exposing their identities.

    That was done by Hutchens, Mauk said.

    "I've seen a lot of contentious meetings," Mauk said in an interview, "and I have never seen a police chief put an undercover officer in a public meeting."

    Hutchens' approach, said Mauk, Bates, Nguyen and Norby, is drawing heavy opposition and could have long-term consequences.

    "This issue is really escalating. And she keeps on pushing," Nguyen said. "Some of these issues have escalated to the point where we do have a problem. There's a sheriff that doesn't want to work with us; she wants to do what she wants to do."

    Bates remembers talking to Hutchens when she first took office, issuing a friendly warning about the challenges of moving from a bureaucrat to an elected official.

    "Our job as decisionmakers is to see the gray," Bates said. "This is a job of representation, not just following the book."

    For her part, Hutchens has said she is focused on enforcing the law, not politicking.

    And she's comfortable leaving her political fate in the hands of Orange County residents, as opposed to supervisors, political parties or activist groups.

    She likes her chances, often saying "I have tremendous faith in the voters of this county."

    By TONY SAAVEDRA and NORBERTO SANTANA Jr.
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    What is clear with this appointed Sheriff is she disrespects and distrusts civilians and treats them as she feels, until she is called on the carpet. Then she gives lip service to civility.
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    How soon can she be removed from office?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    How soon can she be removed from office?
    I'm not sure but would guess as soon as the Supervisors decide they can no longer live with their mistake.
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    I was hoping that, since she was appointed, the Supervisors could also remove her. Didn't want you to have to wait for the next election cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maybejim View Post
    I'm not sure but would guess as soon as the Supervisors decide they can no longer live with their mistake.
    Hey folks in the OC. Has there been any action on this?

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    Just to clarify, this is in Orange County, California. There is no California County in California. This article was written in February, 2009. Is she still in office in 2010 and pulling her same shenanigans? Peace.

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    Sorry, but this is old news from early in 2009. Sheriff Hutchens backed down a while ago, according to this blog from a California Lawyer.

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    Orange County Sheriff's Concealed Carry Policy Draws Fire Feb 24, '09 8:02 PM
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    The following information is a report on the ongoing controversy related to concealed carry permits in Orange County. The information is from Red County and other sources cited below:

    Twenty years ago, Orange County Sheriff Brad Gates got burned badly when the Orange County Register ran a cross-check of people with carry licenses and donors to Gates' campaign. There was overlap there that some people assumed was not mere coincidence.

    About ten years ago, a new guy was elected sheriff who promised to increase the number of permits issued. After he was elected, the new sheriff sort of kept his campaign promise. He significantly increased the number of permits issued. He got in trouble because it was in no way a "shall issue" situation and there were allegations of impropriety.

    Sheriff Hutchens promptly went back to the earlier policy of very few permits. She allegedly revoked many of the permits that may have been issued improperly.

    If you want a carry permit in CA, move to northern Cal, well north of I-80. The sheriffs up north have this silly idea that they work for the people, and that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens aren't a problem, according to my source that moved out of Southern California seventeen years ago.

    Basic outline of facts & issues:

    1. Cal. PC 12050 states that CCW shall be based on "good character" and "good cause", discretion which is widely abused in populous counties to prohibit CCW issuance. Essentially, no one is considered to have good cause, unless they are celebrities or carry large amounts of cash. Life and death is meaningless to most Chief LEOs. However, under Cal law, the Chief LEO does in fact have that power....to issue or not.

    2. Some Cal. counties are near "shall-issue", because the Sheriff's are inclined to issue licenses. These are usually, though not always, rural counties.

    3. Recently disgraced/indicted/ removed OC former Sheriff Mike Carona won his seat on a platform that included more CCW issuance than usual for an urban county. He made some effort in that direction, but the old-timers at the Sheriff's Dept. didn't like the FNG (he beat "their" guy in the election), so they sabotaged his efforts as much as possible. Instead of the goal of 30,000 CCW's, OC issued less than 5,000 (still pretty good compared to the much larger L.A. County that issues nearly zero).

    4. When Sheriff Carona got involved in "routine" political corruption, he was removed for non-CCW reasons, but this scandal tainted his CCW policy. The replacement/ interim Sheriff Hutchens had come to the OCSD from the LASD, so she had a visceral hatred of CCW. This combination of facts made it easy to use CCW licensees as scapegoats.

    5. She took it upon herself to start revoking ALL the OC CCW licenses one at a time "upon proper review". The "proper review" meant in effect that all CCW would be revoked, unless the bearer was a celebrity.

    6. The problem with revocation is that this remains on your record forever, and generally will prohibit not only getting a CCW anywhere, but it ALSO makes it nearly impossible to obtain DOD and aerospace security clearance. A typical question in many jurisdiction is "Have you ever been refused a CCW?"

    7. These negative potential results caused lots of OC CCW licensees to attend the OC Board of Supervisors meetings and complain about the arbitrary and discriminatory and economically destructive nature of the revocations.

    8. Many of them also stated unequivocally that they would sue the Board of Supervisors and the Sheriff for ruining their work clearances, in addition to the simple loss of the CCW.

    9. At that point, the Supervisors and Sheriff backed down a bit and started looking for ways that could revoke all CCW, but WITHOUT stirring up security clearance problems. They decided, for the time being, to just stop renewing expired CCW and asking licensees to turn in their CCW licenses voluntarily before the expiration date.

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