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This is a discussion on Screwed in Texas??? within the Concealed Carry Discussion forums, part of the Main Category category; According to the 2nd Amendment it's pretty much inappropriate for the government to deny anybody that they feel is safe ...

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    According to the 2nd Amendment it's pretty much inappropriate for the government to deny anybody that they feel is safe enough to walk the streets in public to be denied the ability to carry a firearm.

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    The word 'Texas' always gets my attention, and while I am reluctant to weigh in on this, I will.

    My impression is that Slingin is not taking care of business: namely, how does a bank computer glitch turn into a hot check charge? I don't know the facts here, but I would have done anything needed to not have let that happen - a lawyer comes to mind here.

    Also, knowing there are no refunds for the class or application, I would have, and did, carefully check my stuff before I applied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    According to the 2nd Amendment it's pretty much inappropriate for the government to deny anybody that they feel is safe enough to walk the streets in public to be denied the ability to carry a firearm.
    Well...according to some people's interpretation of the Second.

    A majority of the justices on the SCOTUS have held otherwise.

    And until Marbury v. Madison is overturned, the SCOTUS will remain the authority on the meaning of the Second.

    Perhaps someday they'll adopt the interpretation you posit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    I also think that it is inappropriate for a veteran who was dishonorably discharged for violating the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy to be denied a carry permit.
    Meanwhile... back at the ranch!
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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    I also think that it is inappropriate for a veteran who was dishonorably discharged for violating the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy to be denied a carry permit.
    Gays usually get General Discharges for violating DADT. The only way to get a Dishonorable is to be convicted of a felony grade offense at a general court martial. If that happens, you're likely to be doing time in federal pen for a while. Getting a Texas CHL is the least of your worries.

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    You might look at the Arizona CCW; the study course and the range test are not difficult. I'm not an expert on the legal requirements (past records) though. It is reciprical with Texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slinginLEAD View Post
    Here is my dilemma. I live in Texas. Had a CHL in 2000, let it expire. Got a Class A misdemeanor for "Hunting from a vehicle" in Nov of 2005. have waited for 5 years to be eligbile to Re-Apply for a new Texas CHL I also got arrested on a BS charge in September of 2007 on a Class B misdemeanor, received deferred adjudication for it, no conviction on my criminal record (just checked at the County Clerk's office to verify that)- but since I had deferred adjudication the Texas DPS considers that to be a conviction, which means I cannot receive a Texas CHL until September 2012. I did not know this till I paid the $100 bucks for the CHL class at my local gun range, as I had really thought that my Class B misdemeanor was a Class C, but it turns out that it was not....
    IS it possible for me to obtain a CHL from any other state if I am a resident of Texas, that would be recognized in TEXAS so I could legally carry? I currently can carry in my Vehicle because of the Texas Castle Doctrine, but I want to be able to carry on my person. Any info would be Greatly appreciated. thanks Ya'll.
    I hold a Texas CHL. If you indeed went to a recent CHL class, you'd have learned that Texas is a "MAY ISSUE" rather than "SHALL ISSUE" state. They want a squeaky clean record, or, alternatively, down to minutia justification for anything on your record -- including documentation from Court Recorders, County and/or Magistrate Clerks and the like indicating clear records from prior to your last arrest through the present. Also, once you have a CHL, you're held to an entirely different and more stringent legal standard than average Texas citizens. While there are things you're allowed to do that are over and above in a fight or defensive situation, and/or even some things you may "get away with," for holding a CHL and simultaneously carrying (not recommended...); you can't carry with *any* measurable blood-alcohol content. That's a CHL loser for life. In long and short, you need to go back to your courts, resolve your issues, and maybe even wait another 5 years or so to try again.

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    You are not necessarily screwed in TX. While you may not like the laws, there are ways for you to appeal the process. TX looks at how good your judgement is. If you break the law intentionally (hunting?), that counts against you. If the check thing was a true bank ertor, a simple statement and records to validate can give validation to the claim. Not being privy to all facts, I would advise you to seek legal consult from someone other that random gun forum groups.

    Be aware that TX CHL holders may carry in places out of state permit holders can not. Firearm purchases within the state will still require NICS checks, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the0wl93 View Post
    I hold a Texas CHL. If you indeed went to a recent CHL class, you'd have learned that Texas is a "MAY ISSUE" rather than "SHALL ISSUE" state. They want a squeaky clean record, or, alternatively, down to minutia justification for anything on your record -- including documentation from Court Recorders, County and/or Magistrate Clerks and the like indicating clear records from prior to your last arrest through the present. Also, once you have a CHL, you're held to an entirely different and more stringent legal standard than average Texas citizens. While there are things you're allowed to do that are over and above in a fight or defensive situation, and/or even some things you may "get away with," for holding a CHL and simultaneously carrying (not recommended...); you can't carry with *any* measurable blood-alcohol content. That's a CHL loser for life. In long and short, you need to go back to your courts, resolve your issues, and maybe even wait another 5 years or so to try again.
    I also hold a Texas CHL, and I beg to differ on several points you have stated:

    Texas is a "Shall Issue" state. There are clearly defined conditions that must be met, and if so, a license shall be issued.

    You state that "... you can't carry with *any* measurable blood-alcohol content.". This is flat-out incorrect. The law states that you cannot carry while intoxicated. Nowhere in the statutes does it say anything about "any measurable blood-alcohol content".

    As to your statement that once you have a CHL, that you are held to a higher and more stringent standard than an average Texas citizen, I disagree with the statement. It is your opinion, and I respect that, but if you will read the statutes, they are exactly the same for the CHL holder as they are for every other Texas resident.

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    Default A right is a right is a right. Period.

    I realize my reply does not address the original poster's dilemma, but it does address the rest of the thread.

    I am an instructor in SC. I also lobby my state legislature to remove the many unconstitutional restrictions on our 2A rights.

    I believe enacting legislation that restricts a citizen's right to carry openly or concealed (anywhere that a cop can do the same) violates our constitutional RKBA.

    This includes FORCED training, FORCED application, FORCED permit requirements, etc.

    As an instructor, I strongly believe folks should obtain firearms training - VOLUNTARILY. But passing laws that prevent any good citizen from strapping on his self-defense firearm & going about his daily life is EVIL. If we allow someone to be released from incarceration and we cannot slap a firearm into his hands at that very moment, why are we releasing him back into the civilized population in the first place? I do not consider myself to be better or more perfect than anyone else walking this Earth. All people who are able to do so should be able to protect themselves from violent predators. That's my $.02

    Feel free to flame me all you want. The opinions of others have very little weight on my self-esteem.

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