Do "anti-CCW" stores have a greater legal responsibility to protect customers?

[wjh2657]

You and I both know what we mean by self defense. In a liberal court with a liberal jury (Attorneys don't allow any other kind) It will play out as: "I want to sue this guy because he wouldn't let me engage in a gunfight in his place." Don't count on winning. It took over two centuries for us to get the courts to say it was legal to defend ourselves inside our homes. We were suppposed to climb out a window or go out the back door and run to the police for help (no cell phones in those days). Go "Dodge City" on some Liberal's private property? I don't know if we will ever get past that!

[S&W645]

You and I both know what we mean by self defense. In a liberal court with a liberal jury (Attorneys don't allow any other kind) It will play out as: "I want to sue this guy because he wouldn't let me engage in a gunfight in his place." Don't count on winning. It took over two centuries for us to get the courts to say it was legal to defend ourselves inside our homes. We were suppposed to climb out a window or go out the back door and run to the police for help (no cell phones in those days). Go "Dodge City" on some Liberal's private property? I don't know if we will ever get past that!

Funny you should think "liberal jury". I am not a liberal and I'd be willing to bet many others I served with weren't either. If you serve on a jury and the defendant then decides to throw himself on the mercy of the court because of the makeup of the jury, you'd catch my drift.

[wjh2657]

Funny you should think "liberal jury". I am not a liberal and I'd be willing to bet many others I served with weren't either. If you serve on a jury and the defendant then decides to throw himself on the mercy of the court because of the makeup of the jury, you'd catch my drift.

I have caught jury duty cycle twice and served on several juries. In all cases I was either the only conservative or coupled with one other. Lawyers really know how to stack a jury and they don't like conservative people. In the case of violence they like to stack it with women with liberal views. I was the cause of two hung juries as the only holdout for what I considered a reasonable verdict. The gals hated my guts!

[Fitch]

Here in Wisconsin, a sign also needs to be posted if the business does not want CCW in their store. Obviously, if they are posted I will not support the business as much as possible, but there are times I may have to go into those stores, so I will disarm myself in accordance with the law. Under WI law, any business owner cannot be sued or held responsible for what a CCW holder does(ie. shoot someone). The business is protected from liability by the law. Now if they have a sign up and I or a family member would get attacked in one of these stores that did post a sign. You can bet your ash I will be filing a law suit against them and taking everything they own. By posting the sign and refusing my rights, they are now taking my Saftey in their hands and with it the liability of anything that would happen. My wife works for an insurance company and they are advising business owners to not post since the state law protects them and they could be liable if they did post a sign. Just my opinion, but here in WI, I would not post a sign for that fact alone. I am a small business owner also.

The store that posted the sign is not taking responsibility for your safety. You have a choice to enter the store or not. If you read the sign and decide to disarm and enter the store, you are knowingly taking responsibility for your own safety while you are in the store and unarmed.

This is not a special circumstances situation like when you are in police custody which is not voluntary and they have rendered you essentially defensless. The only people the police have a duty to protect are those in their custody. The store owner has no such relationship with customers. Customers have a choice. They can choose to not enter, and may leave at any time.

Absent provable negligance on the store owners part, the lawsuit isn't winnable. Posting the sign isn't negligance.

Fitch