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    Question Justified in using deadly force?

    6 young thugs beating up on an elderly man (veteran).
    Would the victim have been justified in using deadly force if he was armed in this scenario?
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    Wounded Vietnam Vet Brutally Beaten By Teen Thugs in Philly | Video | TheBlaze.com
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    Seems justified to me. I know what I would have done had I been able.
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    A few years ago down here we had an older man (65+ yrs) beaten by just 2 thugs. He managed to get back to his car (where his gun was) and the BGs came back for more. He shot both of them at very close range, one of whom died. No charges. Good for him.
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    Can you fill in the blanks for: ability, opportunity, and jeopardy? I can't see the video right now, but if you can place those in a written statement to be read in court. You were probably justified, or on you way for a good case to support you.

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    The way I understand it here in Minnesota you must feel that your life is threatened and you have no way of escape. In this case probably yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Outlaw View Post
    6 young thugs beating up on an elderly man (veteran).
    Would the victim have been justified in using deadly force if he was armed in this scenario?
    What say you?

    Wounded Vietnam Vet Brutally Beaten By Teen Thugs in Philly | Video | TheBlaze.com
    Of course lethal force would be justified. It's beyond savage that these POS's attacked a defenseless elderly guy just for the sake of the attack. They didn't even have robbery as a motive for efff sake!

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    Bang,bang,bang ...........
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    I think the chances of anyone ever getting attacked and needing a gun are pretty slim so why bother carrying one at all?
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    I hope they are found and charged. As for the OP's question, I do believe justification existed, even if there were juveniles involved, especialy with so many assailants. When you are being beaten, there isn't much time to ask, "Excuse me, are any of you juveniles?" But I will say that there is one thing I found very interesting about the attack...it happened so quickly, would the victim have even had time to draw and shoot?
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    "Officer, I thought I was going to die." Or... "I thought they were going to kill me." 6 guys? Yea, justified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Outlaw View Post
    6 young thugs beating up on an elderly man (veteran).
    Would the victim have been justified in using deadly force if he was armed in this scenario?
    What say you?

    Wounded Vietnam Vet Brutally Beaten By Teen Thugs in Philly | Video | TheBlaze.com
    Oh Hell Yes! BUT...

    I doubt he would've even been able to draw his weapon. The attack was from behind and VERY quick. I just looked again, and it looks to me like the attack lasted about 5 - 7 seconds. The video isn't clear enough to show whether he reacted to the sound of the group coming at him from behind, but regardless, once they passed each other, I doubt there was enough time to draw before they got back to him. Whatever, if he were armed, I would hope that he would be deemed justified in either showing or shooting to prevent/stop the attack if he did have long enough to do it.

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