CCW Delaware Ohio

[jralston]

I think the class for CCW is a racket-$175, then $67 to register with the Delaware County Sheriff and there only open 8:30-4 and on top of that I have to take 4 hours personal time for finger prints and to pick up my permit!

[julez456]

Yup that is crazy! The CCW class when I took it was only $49.99 I believe. The application fee at the courthouse was another $50 then less than 45 days later I received a phone call telling me I could pick up my permit at the courthouse. I live in Virginia tho.

[Ryan.moran]

thats the price you gotta pay to use your rights unfortunately. i feel your pain though i have alot of time and about $200 invested in the permit process her in orange county new york, between applications fees, price of class, finger printing, it all adds up quick. and then on top of it you need to buy a gun before you can have a required interview. so all in all i had to lay out atleast $700 (including the gun) before they would give me a permit here (which im still waiting to receive)was told about a month ago should know within 4 months which would make a total of 5 month wait if it took the full 4

[Dana1956]

Well, as a person (who lives in Ohio) and is about to get their NRA instructors certificate, what do you think is a fair price for me to talk to you for 10 hours about the Ohio Revised Code? And then spend at least 4 hours with you on the range to certify you? The $67 that is charged for you to register is the same all over the state. And for the guy who had to wait 45 days....whew? It only took a week for mine to come in. If you want the permit, those are the hoops you have to jump through.

[usarmyguy]

@jralston: I took my CCW class just north of you in Marion County and it cost $115. This is a one day class as well. In addition, if you live in Delaware County you can also file for your permit in Franklin County. Me and several of my friends filed in Franklin, we all got our permits issued in about 24 hours...yes 24 hours. It is worth the trip downtown! The filing fee is $67, but that price is the same in every county. Hope this helps.

[Buellerxb]

I'm also in Ohio and both the wife and I went through the CCW process a few months ago. Ohio requires 12 hours of training -- 10 hours in the classroom and 2 hours on the range -- all with a certified instructor.

There are instructors all over the state who, from our research, charge anywhere from about $80 on up to $300+. At the lower end of the scale are instructors who are doing it as a side thing on a weekend here and there, and as you go up the scale in cost you get instructors who have more formalized and structured instruction. At the top end are mainly ranges offering the course at their own facility and, from what we've seen, many times offer training that far exceeds the state requirements. For instance, AimHi here in central Ohio (New Albany) includes things like night time shooting, drawing from concealment, etc.

Of course, there are exceptions to the rule, where lower cost instructors offer excellent formalized instruction and high cost facilities include only the basic requirements to get you to pass the state test.

For us, we took the course with a pretty large class (about 30 people) for $110/each. The instructors (three of them) were all excellent. That doesn't seem to shabby for a days work -- $3,300 split 3-ways is $1,100 each.

Oh, but wait...there are costs involved for the instructors too. ALL of this was included in our $110. The only thing we needed to bring was ammo -- that's it. I'll take some educated guesstimates here.

- The NRA course materials @ $10 each = $300
- The excellent book, "The Ohio Guide to Firearm Laws" @ $12 each = $360
- The facilty rental where the class was held = $200
- Donuts & coffee in the morning = $60
- Lunch @ $10 each = $300
- Rental of the entire range at Blackwing for 2.5 hrs = $400
- Ear and eye protection rentals at Blackwing (probably included in the range rental) = $0
- Gun rental at Blackwing (probably included in the range rental) = $0

So what's the bottom line here? I see about $1,620 in costs to offer the course to those 30 people, which is about 1/2 the entire money brought in. That leaves $1,680 to be split between 3 instructors, giving them each...$560. True, that doesn't seem too bad.

But wait, we're not done.

Those instructors have costs of their own. But let's not even get into the costs of keeping their certifications active, the classes they themselves have to attend, etc. Let's just take the time involved in setting up and preparing for this one class. They have to arrange a location, coordinate date/time of rentals at the range, arrange lunch, purchase all the materials, setup the class room and tear it down, potentially rent a projector, etc. Just to make it simple, let's say they each invested another 4 hours of their time to prepare and coordinate everything for the class.

That means their cut of $560 has to account for 12.5 hours of actual teaching (the class ran from 8:00am - 8:30pm) plus another 4 hours of preparation time. $560/16.5 hrs = $33.93/hr. Using rough numbers, if they did this as a full-time job that's about $70k in salary. So that makes it decent middle-class income -- certainly not a "racket" in my intrepretation. And in our case, one of the instructors is a highly-regarded firearms attorney who makes much more in his "day-job" then doing this class once every few months.

Heck, I have to pay more then that for my kids to get their drivers license, with the state required driver's education (24 hours) and all the driving time with an instructor (another 8 hours), pluse the licensing costs and the insurance increases.

Put a little perspective on this and you'll see it's definitely not a "racket". Instead, it's capitalism at work due to the government requiring licensing for something that is already a "right" of American citizens. I know this another debate but in my mind, it's really not all that different from requiring a drivers license to drive a car on public roads. I only wish concealed carry laws were as closely consistent across the nation as driving laws are. Someday, I hope we get there.

Okay, okay...I'll get off my soapbox now. It's just been one of those weeks. :-/

[NavyLCDR]

What I don't understand is the US Supreme Court ruled that a poll tax was an infringement upon the right to vote. I wish they would decide the same about the 2nd Amendment.

[Dana1956]

@buellerxb Well said. I'm I'm a "gonna-be" NRA instructor you cited some things that I have not yet taken into consideration. The CCW class that I took was $40 and there were over 100 in the class. Yes, they were there because he was cheap. But, you did not walk out of there without any less of an education. He does this for the simple fact that he thinks that every American should be armed. He also does it with the blessings of his county Sheriff. (Who also comes and visits the class on occasion). His rent is free (in a nice hotel). Lunch is on your own, and so you see...he "volunteers" his time as the money you spend covers the cost of the NRA materials. His "indoor" range (not fancy, but functionable) is on his property, and his range officers work for what you put in the tip jar. So, if you wanted to go to the other end of the spectrum, there you go. I send everyone I know to his classes because of the kind of person he is, the guests that he has (some from the show Top Shots), and the education you are going to recieve while you are there. In fact, I sit through one of his classes each year because I think it's important to be reminded of what the laws are. Some people just want the keys to the car now without the license to operate it.

[Elspeth]

So don't get a CCW. Open carry.

[Firefighterchen]

I know this another debate but in my mind, it's really not all that different from requiring a drivers license to drive a car on public roads. I only wish concealed carry laws were as closely consistent across the nation as driving laws are. Someday, I hope we get there.

Driving a car on public roads is a privilege. Owning and carrying a firearm is a right. That is a huge difference, that can not be mixed up!! I hope someday we can go back to a time when our rights were not infringed upon, and we can carry anywhere in our country without any papers.

Should we require a test, tax, and permit to speak freely?
Should we require a test, tax, and permit to practice being Christian? Muslim? Buddhist? Catholic?
Should we require a test, tax, and permit to defend ourselves?
Should we require a complete inventory list of everything you own, and if anything is out of place an officer can freely search your person, houses, papers, and effects?

It can be argued all those tests, permits, and papers are just like drivers licenses...except that one huge mistake where one is a privilege and the other a right.