Banned office carry

[Wise1]

What type of work do you do where you feel the need to carry concealed in the office? If you work out of the office or travel then I understand where you're coming from. Maybe the boss is planning on downsizing in the near future and he doesn't want 20 disgruntled employees in his office with guns. The "chosen few" that are still allowed to carry have probably been chosen as bodyguards..lol

Good luck..sorry to make light of your situation. Just trying to lighten the mood. :)

It is back to the fire extinguisher. You have one but hope to never use it. You don’t take the extinguisher just to the places you expect a fire, you have it available all the time.

I looks to me that you have three options.

1. Carry anyway and plan on being fired if caught.
2. Decide that the job is more important than carrying.
3. Change jobs.

[ctpistolteacher]

Solid feedback. My main concern is not fear of losing a job or moving to a new one, it's strictly constitutional. No where does the second amendment state that anyone has the right to infringe an individuals right to self preservation... Which is the first law of nature.

The Constitution tells the GOVERNMENT what it can and cannot do.... not individuals. Individuals are not bound by the Constitution, they are protected by it. The interesting thing about individual rights is that they are often in conflict with one another. Here in CT, carrying in a place that is prohibited by the owner/controller of the property is the same as not having a permit at all... a multi-year felony.

This issue is a tough one... the right to bear arms vs. the rights of an individual to control what goes on on his own property. The answer is to convince them that lawfully armed employees are an asset, rather than a liability, or move on. The employers private property rights are every bit as important as your right to bear arms.

[DTBorden]

It would seem the employer's edict becomes a condition of continued employment, thus a "take-it-or-leave" issue. The employer/owner also has freedoms.

[walt629]

I live in eastern TN, my employer in the past has considered it an asset for his employees to carry. Now with a new consultant he has decided to ban all guns on property even if you have a valid carry permit except for a few whom he selects to carry a firearm.

First let me say that I do not know what your business is so I do not know if the company employees are trained security personnel.

Personally I see this as a big problem. Your employer obviously has the right to ban weapon carry in his property under the power to fire you for not complying with set company policy. However, by picking "a few to carry" and restricting the 2A rights of all other employees opens him to discrimination suit. Also it put the select few into a position of providing security for him and the company, at least on first blush one would assume that notion.

The 'select few' that accept the 'honor' of being able to enjoy their 2A rights un-infringed will be putting themselves out on the edge for what I believe to be a major litigation down fall should the need arise to actually use their weapons in a self defense situation and they fail to protect everyone in the building.

I've done my best to make the case that more guns in the hands of law abiding citizens is an extremely safe environment and an asset to the business. However to no avail he still considers those with carry permits to be a liability.

Make you wonder what the 'new' consultants hidden agenda is. All was good until he/she came along.

I understand it's his property and his right to decide whether or not firearms should be allowed on his property because the insurance provider considers gun owners a liability.

Yes it is and yes he does assuming he owns the property. If it is a rental then other laws may apply, but that is a topic for the lawyers.

My main concern is that if we do not elect a president who will dismantle and abolish Obamacare the government will use Obamacare to attempt to ban firearm ownership because the government deems gun ownership a health risk/liability.

I understand you concerns over The Health Care Reform Bill but I fail to see what it has to do with your employer banning guns in his facility.

[forty5]

Walt629
Currently this is an insurance issue; it's only a matter of time that it will be made an healthcare issue under Obamacare.

[forty5]

Our office has a meeting 2day regarding this policy. Thanks for all input, I will use these wise nuggets to hopefully pave the way for a right to carry policy. Being a Life Member of the NRA I plan to make a call to NRA-ILA for direction and wisdom. I'm not giving up; I'm not built that way.

[sambo42xa]

Our Co. policy says in the booklet something like this.....No weapons or firearms unless written approval comes from director of HR and head of our ESH (Enviroment, Safety, Health). Well, I've been carrying concealed all the time. I asked for written approval...why you ask? Because I'm an idiot who follows the laws governed in the state, law abiden citizen, has certificates from courses I have taken, lisences to carry in other states and I wanted to be legal in my company so I wouldn't get into trouble. Well, they said No! You know what.....I still carry concealed. I can honestly say, as a mechanic I do not need to carry it on me but there is always that one time, right? I would rather lose my job than my life if some nut job decided to crash the party. Yeh, I may be breaking Co. policy but I got enough say for any argument that gets thrown at me when the time comes. It's been almost two years now (since I asked permission) carrying concealed at work and no one knows and no one says anything about it. Guess I stooped down to a non-law abiden citizen now eh?

[Mad_River_Firearms]

Your Quoted Statement"""""Here in CT, carrying in a place that is prohibited by the owner/controller of the property is the same as not having a permit at all... a multi-year felony."""""


What CT State Statute are you referring to???????????????????????

I find NOTHING in the STATE STATUTES to Back Up your Statement. You can be Charged with Criminal Trespass in the Second Degree OR Third Degree, of Which are Misdemeanors.

Sec. 53a-108. Criminal trespass in the second degree: Class B misdemeanor. (a) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the second degree when, knowing that such person is not licensed or privileged to do so, (1) such person enters or remains in a building, or (2) such person enters or remains on public land.

(b) Criminal trespass in the second degree is a class B misdemeanor.

Sec. 53a-109. Criminal trespass in the third degree: Class C misdemeanor. (a) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the third degree when, knowing that such person is not licensed or privileged to do so: (1) Such person enters or remains in premises which are posted in a manner prescribed by law or reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders or are fenced or otherwise enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders, or which belong to the state and are appurtenant to any state institution; or (2) such person enters or remains in any premises for the purpose of hunting, trapping or fishing; or (3) such person enters or remains on public land which is posted in a manner prescribed by law or reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders or is fenced or otherwise enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders.

(b) Criminal trespass in the third degree is a class C misdemeanor.

[Mad_River_Firearms]

[QUOTE=ctpistolteacher;270674]The Constitution tells the GOVERNMENT what it can and cannot do.... not individuals. Individuals are not bound by the Constitution, they are protected by it. The interesting thing about individual rights is that they are often in conflict with one another. Here in CT, carrying in a place that is prohibited by the owner/controller of the property is the same as not having a permit at all... a multi-year felony.

Your Quoted Statement"""""Here in CT, carrying in a place that is prohibited by the owner/controller of the property is the same as not having a permit at all... a multi-year felony."""""


What CT State Statute are you referring to???????????????????????

I find NOTHING in the STATE STATUTES to Back Up your Statement. You can be Charged with Criminal Trespass in the Second Degree OR Third Degree, of Which are Misdemeanors.

Sec. 53a-108. Criminal trespass in the second degree: Class B misdemeanor. (a) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the second degree when, knowing that such person is not licensed or privileged to do so, (1) such person enters or remains in a building, or (2) such person enters or remains on public land.

(b) Criminal trespass in the second degree is a class B misdemeanor.

Sec. 53a-109. Criminal trespass in the third degree: Class C misdemeanor. (a) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the third degree when, knowing that such person is not licensed or privileged to do so: (1) Such person enters or remains in premises which are posted in a manner prescribed by law or reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders or are fenced or otherwise enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders, or which belong to the state and are appurtenant to any state institution; or (2) such person enters or remains in any premises for the purpose of hunting, trapping or fishing; or (3) such person enters or remains on public land which is posted in a manner prescribed by law or reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders or is fenced or otherwise enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders.

(b) Criminal trespass in the third degree is a class C misdemeanor.

IF you can QUOTE the CT STATE STATUTES that say it is a FELONY I would APPRECIATE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[walt629]

Maybe this will help you CT guys figure it out.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/connecticut.pdf

Check out page 4 of the document under the heading "Do NO GUN signs carry the weight of law?" I would imagine that a company that say to you NO GUNS is the same as having a sign that says NO GUNS. Yes?