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    Video from 2010. Just found it on this slow day at work.

    Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world, Part One - YouTube

    The controlled study documented in these videos show that concealed carry permit holders are fooling themselves if they think they will be able to react effectively to armed aggressors. Most CCW holders won't even be able to un-holster their gun. They will more likely be killed themselves or kill innocent bystanders than stop the aggressor. For more details, see "Unintended Consequences: Pro-Handgun Experts Prove That Handguns Are a Dangerous Choice for Self-Defense." VPC - Unintended Consequences - Contents.

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    I think you really have to have something happen where you except death to be able to kill someone. I got my Ccw because someone points a very large handgun in my familys face. I thought I was going to die. I'm ready this time around, plus chances are some bg pulls a gun. It's not loaded or it's fake

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    That video/exercise is interesting but doesn't "prove" to me that CCW is a bad thing. A couple things - the "stagers" know who has the "gun". They immediately focus on that person when they come into the room. A real bg wouldn't know who has a gun or not, keeping the CCW holder with the position of suprise. Second, they required the "gun" holder to keep the long shirt hanging down practically to his knees, effectively making him sit on the shirt, holding it down and preventing him/her from drawing the weapon.

    A rigged event in my mind. No "proof" of anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jethrodull View Post
    That video/exercise is interesting but doesn't "prove" to me that CCW is a bad thing. A couple things - the "stagers" know who has the "gun". They immediately focus on that person when they come into the room. A real bg wouldn't know who has a gun or not, keeping the CCW holder with the position of suprise. Second, they required the "gun" holder to keep the long shirt hanging down practically to his knees, effectively making him sit on the shirt, holding it down and preventing him/her from drawing the weapon.

    A rigged event in my mind. No "proof" of anything.
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    I most definitely agree with what you are saying. I just thought it was interesting and something that should be shared. To me it just puts a little emphasis on training with your weapon and how you carry. Practice drawing the weapon, don't put yourself in any situation where it would be difficult to do so. I am less than a month into concealed carry but have learned the importance of training with your equipment. When I get my new holster next week, I will spend time getting comfortable and practicing with that as well.
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    "Tests" like this are about as valid as the disaster recovery tests that many companies run on their data centers. You know those tests where everyone knows about the test and has made extra backups and everyone is available to help in the recovery.

    I still want to conduct what I call the '747 test'. That's the test where I walk into the data center one morning and announce "Good morning, a Boeing 747 has just crashed into this building, everyone inside is dead or injured. Now using the remaining staff, training, documentation and offsite resources, show me how long you take to be back in business.". It would be ugly but as the man said "the more you bleed in training, the less you bleed in battle".
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    Talok about rigged!!! No one with any training at all is going to wear an article of clothing that is likely to interfere with drawing their weapon! Sescondly, Anyone with even a modicum of training is going to fidgit and fiddle around. Lastly, think about who is holding this "experiment, ABC News, one of the most anti-gun "news" channles in the country. This is so much bs it's almost laughable!

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    This "test" was a load of crap. It's an unrealistic scenario, with practically all the elements stacked heavily against the victim. It was broadcast a few years back by anti-gun NBC.

    "No-win" or "odds stacked heavily against you" scenarios like this would be an interesting culmination to an advanced armed defense course. But to throw a novice into this crap-storm, watch him or her struggle and "fail" the scenario, then label it with a smear-headline like "Proof that CCW Holders Live in a Dream World" - is at best dishonest, and at worst downright slanderous.

    Every few months, someone posts this garbage on here. Honestly, it merits no further discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Gain View Post
    This "test" was a load of crap. It's an unrealistic scenario, with practically all the elements stacked heavily against the victim. It was broadcast a few years back by anti-gun NBC.

    "No-win" or "odds stacked heavily against you" scenarios like this would be an interesting culmination to an advanced armed defense course. But to throw a novice into this crap-storm, watch him or her struggle and "fail" the scenario, then label it with a smear-headline like "Proof that CCW Holders Live in a Dream World" - is at best dishonest, and at worst downright slanderous.

    Every few months, someone posts this garbage on here. Honestly, it merits no further discussion.
    Sorry you feel that this is garbage. I am not against CC/Second Amendment rights in any way. Just sitting around at work and found the video, thought I would share. I'm extremely bored right now. Don't gotta get so uppity about it.
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    What a crock of crap. Wearing that sort of shirt by any self-respecting CCW'er would be nuts to say the least.

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    That wouldn't even make a good TV show, and had absolutly NOTHING to do with a real life encounter, and on that note; we come on this forum, myself included, and start off with I would do this or do that, and the BG would have it handed to him, or whatever, truth is if most if not all of us were thrust into a life or death encounter, if we are being honest with ourselfs, can not sit here at the computor and say what exactly we would do, my wife and I have taken several training courses on personal and home defence, and I think I can say if I were to come home and see a BG doing my family harm I could put a 45 in his head without a lot of thought, but none of us knows this absolutly, most REAL encounters would depend on who got the drop on who, and you know a BG is not going to hesitate to pull the trigger, and takeing your life, but we would hesitate, in not all but most instinces, so that video just proves that a group of people had some time to waste

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