Illinois Ban on Concealed Carry is coming to an end!

[B2Tall]

The Heller Case has cleared the way for this Case to be a Slam Dunk.

Heller was about owning a firearm, not carrying one in public.

[nodaywithout]

If the concealed carry ban disappears, maybe my wife and I will go visit her family in illinois

[Dan Cox]

B2Tall, Having had the opportunity to witness the Hearing in person, I was informed of a hidden message in the Heller Decision, that escapes those of us unfamiliar to Legal Verbiage. It turns out that in the Decision of the Heller Case, there is mention of being able to prohibit the carrying of a weapon onto School Grounds or a Government Building. The Judges of the Shepard/Moore Case mentioned this several times in the hearing. They said to the States Attorney "can you still say that, after Heller? " The States Attorney was in the position of saying that the Second Amendment does not protect the Right to carry a Handgun outside of a Home. So my conclusion is that Heller cleared they way for this case to be a Slam Dunk.

[B2Tall]

So my conclusion is that Heller cleared they way for this case to be a Slam Dunk.

I'm glad you feel that way. No offense but your "conclusion" doesn't mean anything. Nor does mine. I'm just going by decades of history and precedent by SCOTUS.

Ask yourself this: If D.C. vs Heller is such a "slam dunk", why is concealed carry still not allowed in D.C. 4 years after the case??

[champr]

While I how concealed carry comes to Illinois soon, even if they pass it they could go the route of may issue. If this is the case most would still not be able to get a license. This would allow Illinois to be a concealed carry state meeting a court decision while effectively not changing at all. I hope this is not the case but entirely possible.

[Dan Cox]

B2Tall, C'Mon, I never said Heller was a Slam Dunk... The Reason it was not is because D.C. is not a State, but rather a Government District, hence the name District of Columbia, So it is the equivalent of a Military Base, also not protected by the Constitution. I realize you are "The stirrer of the Pot" , but we need to work towards unity for the cause. Judge Posner was great in his metaphorical example of the Pioneers of 1887 and their need to Bear Arms, outside of their Homes and pretty much anywhere they went. Illinois is a good State with a bad State Government, controlled by Chicago. These Judges are Federal Appeals Court Justices. That means they have a shot at being Appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court. They could care less about Chicago Politics, these are Big Game Players and they will make a name for themselves with this Landmark Case. Judge Posner is guy who imagined himself as a Pioneer in Ohio, 1887... with a gun strapped to his horse. Judge Williams said that it is when a stalker victim is away from her house, that she is most vulnerable, because the attacker would know she at best, has an unloaded gun, the third Judge was just disgusted with the Attorney from the State of Illinois. We will get a great Decision, from this Court of the people,by the people and for the people.

[Jayman720]

Just move to Wisconsin. We've got concealed carry (finally) and our Governor can beat up your Governor!

Seriously though, best of luck to my neighbors to the south.

[B2Tall]

B2Tall, C'Mon, I never said Heller was a Slam Dunk...

You've said it twice.

Other than wishful thinking, what makes you believe SCOTUS is going to do something for Chicago and/or Illinois that they've never done in any other city or state - i.e. overrule a state or local government and force them to accept CC/OC?? And believe me - the city/state isn't going to let this stop at a district court....they'll fight it all the way to the top. SCOTUS has ruled in favor of firearm ownership as well as keeping firearms on private property but they've always allowed local and state governments autonomy when it comes to carrying guns in public, hence all the varied laws from state to state. SCOTUS will be the final word and their history has long been to back the individual state on CC/OC, like it or not.

How do you explain those - all the differing carry laws from state to state??

The only way the city of Chicago or the state of Illinois will get CC or OC is if those citizens choose to elect a pro-gun governor and legislature.

[sonofcops]

Hey Dan, that is a fair point. Funny too as I am a plumber in Chicago and I also just when through the handgun ownership course to be able to have a handgun in my home. Funny thing though is that I mostly feel like it would be better served carrying it with me. It takes 4k hours and testing to become a plumber in Chicago and it takes 4 hours and a verbal test, along with backround checks to own a handgun. If the city put more of a substantial training on those who wanted to carry we would have no issue with it what so ever. The rest is not directed at you Dan but more of a general statement about some comments on this site and the U.S in general. I think people have gone too far with the divide that has been outwardly and self imposed. I personally don't follow the left or right or think everybody south of Chicago is a "redneck", but the way politics these days are going is almost forces a divide. It's obvious when you see the voting map during an election. They almost want that divide like it's a football game against the next county over and the coach is bad mouthing the other team in the locker room. I am proud to be from this country but I think a real patriot still questions the big shots that run the show, and doesn't just vote for the guy who isn't black. I didn't vote because I don't believe in what either side is offering. Fact of the matter is that they ALL are corrupt to one degree or another. It's practically become the American way of doing business, which is what our Gov't is at this point.... My apologies for the rant on your post, I'm sure I'll hear about it.

[Dan Cox]

sonofcops, I hear you, there is an obvious divide between Cook County and the rest of the State. That's because Cook County has pushed its views down the throats of the rest of the State for many, many years. I believe in our System, while it is not perfect, it is the best I have ever heard of. I walked out of the 7th District Federal Appeals Courthouse and was very proud to be an American. A place where, if the State of Illinois is Violating your Constitutional Rights, you can force them to appear in Court to answer to a Panel of Judges. I brought my 14 year old Son, James to witness the event. You and B2Tall can believe what you want and not participate in the issue, and not Vote. But for me and my Family, we will not dishonor those who gave all, so I could live in the Land of the Free. I will be a part of the fight, I will cast my ballot and I will set an example for my children to be an active participant, not just somebody who watches and waits for somebody else to do something. I will have faith in my fellow Citizens that are presiding as Judges and I will have faith in our Laws, it is what makes us Americans.