Should We Have Levels Of Concealed Carry Licensing?

[whitefeather]

I am not aware if this question has already been discussed on this forum. If so, I apologize but feel it should be brought into the current discussion.It would be helpful to get feedback from instructors and law enforcement members.

The proposal would be an advanced level of weapons training that could be obtained by those who wish so. The possible benefit would be acknowledgement by law enforcement and businesses that this licensee could legally carry in areas that a regular conceal carry holder could not.

An advance level license would give legal access to carry in all the same areas as law enforcement. It would be accepted by all states that allow conceal carry and possibly be used to gain a carry permit in states that are currently restrictive.

Your thoughts.

[Domineaux]

I think we should get away from looking for ways to make different levels of infringement upon our right to keep and bear arms and push for full reinstatement or at least as close as 4 states now have with constitutional carry.

[fuhr52]

If we lived in a perfect world non of this would matter. All your suggesting is another form of false security. Putting a badge on someones chest doesn't guarantee there won't be dirty LEO's. Just as not having a drivers license doesn't guarantee you won't drive a car. Do we ban cars so those that shouldn't drive, don't. There is evil in this world and those intent on perpetrating that evil will find the tools and an avenue to commit that evil. Trouble is, today's society continues to make these people victims instead of locking them up and/or executing them like they did back in the day. Isn't liberalism wonderful.

[John Theriot]

I am not aware if this question has already been discussed on this forum. If so, I apologize but feel it should be brought into the current discussion.It would be helpful to get feedback from instructors and law enforcement members.

The proposal would be an advanced level of weapons training that could be obtained by those who wish so. The possible benefit would be acknowledgement by law enforcement and businesses that this licensee could legally carry in areas that a regular conceal carry holder could not.

An advance level license would give legal access to carry in all the same areas as law enforcement. It would be accepted by all states that allow conceal carry and possibly be used to gain a carry permit in states that are currently restrictive.

Your thoughts.

Having just a CHL, means you should go out and improve ur shooting, like taking some type of the NRA classes offered or at the gun ranges etc. some states say anyone can have a carry gun with no training. I dont belive in this type of laws.
NRA Certified Pistol Instructor in Texas

[Nightmare45]

2nd Amendment already should give you the right to carry anywhere. Waiting for Texas to go constitutional carry / open carry. Layering us down with more requirements would prove costly to those with less funds, there should be no place that you cannot carry.

[Bikenut]

First a general comment bordering on an opinionated rant...

Those who think laws restricting who, where, what, and even why, someone bears arms isn't the least bit interested in "safety".... what they really want is to be in control of ... who, where, what, and why... because, in their supreme arrogance, they believe they know what's best.

And no.. I'm not talking about the rabid anti gunner..I'm talking about the anti gunner "lite" gun owners who think the right to bear arms should only be done in ways that are "reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable". Oh... and if there is any confusion as to what constitutes "reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable"? Just ask them... because the anti gunner "lites" have a list of things they want to see controlled just like the rabid anti's do. Different list... same idea of controlling the things they don't like.

To address the topic...

Tiered carry "permits"... (hell.. a "permit" isn't even the right to bear arms).. are the ass kissed to get permission from the government to carry a gun concealed. Now add layers of "permission" and we get into the idea that "mine is better than yours" or "I can carry where you can't so I'm more special than you" ............ all the while never realizing the government that holds the power to deny the privilege in the first place is laughing because it knows now all the concealed carriers are...... divided amongst themselves worrying about who's is bigger...errr... better ... than whose.

In the interest of full disclosure... I also have one of those ass kissed to get "permits" but I know and understand that it is worst sort of "infringement" referenced by "shall not be infringed".

[gunnerbob]

I'm in favor of "Constitutional Carry"... our 2A provides all the written justification we (should) need. Our right to self-defense isn't granted by the Constitution, it's merely written there. Our right to self-defense comes from God, or if you're secular, Nature.

"An armed society is a polite society", is actually true contrary to popular belief. The "Wild West" wasn't as wild as the history books might have you believe, at least not in a "gun violence" sorta way. You'd be more apt to watch your tongue and control your actions if you had to actually be held responsible for them.

Law-abiding, firearm(s) carrying citizens can/DO actually deter/stop crime. Criminals don't want to get shot as much as the rest of us, and most DO have the ability to rationally think about the consequences of f'ing with an armed citizen.

[gunnerbob]

First a general comment bordering on an opinionated rant...

Those who think laws restricting who, where, what, and even why, someone bears arms isn't the least bit interested in "safety".... what they really want is to be in control of ... who, where, what, and why... because, in their supreme arrogance, they believe they know what's best.

And no.. I'm not talking about the rabid anti gunner..I'm talking about the anti gunner "lite" gun owners who think the right to bear arms should only be done in ways that are "reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable". Oh... and if there is any confusion as to what constitutes "reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable"? Just ask them... because the anti gunner "lites" have a list of things they want to see controlled just like the rabid anti's do. Different list... same idea of controlling the things they don't like.

To address the topic...

Tiered carry "permits"... (hell.. a "permit" isn't even the right to bear arms).. are the ass kissed to get permission from the government to carry a gun concealed. Now add layers of "permission" and we get into the idea that "mine is better than yours" or "I can carry where you can't so I'm more special than you" ............ all the while never realizing the government that holds the power to deny the privilege in the first place is laughing because it knows now all the concealed carriers are...... divided amongst themselves worrying about who's is bigger...errr... better ... than whose.

In the interest of full disclosure... I also have one of those ass kissed to get "permits" but I know and understand that it is worst sort of "infringement" referenced by "shall not be infringed".

I feel you're absolutey right. I used to be one of "those" 2A supporters...

No more! I have become a little more educated sinse last year ;).

[whitefeather]

I am not aware if this question has already been discussed on this forum. If so, I apologize but feel it should be brought into the current discussion.It would be helpful to get feedback from instructors and law enforcement members.

The proposal would be an advanced level of weapons training that could be obtained by those who wish so. The possible benefit would be acknowledgement by law enforcement and businesses that this licensee could legally carry in areas that a regular conceal carry holder could not.

An advance level license would give legal access to carry in all the same areas as law enforcement. It would be accepted by all states that allow conceal carry and possibly be used to gain a carry permit in states that are currently restrictive.

Your thoughts.

I agree with those of you who express what "should" be with our constitutional rights. I am trying to deal with what we have now and seems to be changing no time soon.

This proposal is not an additional "law" but rather a license available to those that want to obtain it. It is an attempt to give those, who wish, a license that prevents jeopardy of accidental carrying in a place that could lead to arrest.

Those that travel throughout the US on a regular basis would have a means to be legally licensed without jeopardy of not knowing every states statutes.
( We travel in an RV and many days go through several states) I am licensed in most states but it is nearly impossible to keep up with every states laws.

I do not see it as making you "special" or to divide but rather to make a license available to those who want or need to pursue it.

[GB-Boater]

You can get that license now, sort of. Join a police department.