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This is a discussion on Firearm out of holster within the Concealed Carry Discussion forums, part of the Main Category category; Most members CC IWB or OWB with their holster located in the "crook" of their waste between their protruding hip ...

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    Most members CC IWB or OWB with their holster located in the "crook" of their waste between their protruding hip bone and rib cage (no comments on alternate CC holsters). Depending on climate, weather, and what you may be doing, your clothing can be a little as a tee shirt or as much as a tee shirt, dress shirt, jacket, sweater and even an overcoat--you get the picture--that holster can be buried under a lot of clothes. Even when it is only a tee shirt, I find the location certainly does its job as CC but I also find that drawing my firearm is not an extremely quick and efficient action (please no practice comments). If I could be open carry, there is little doubt that the preferred and most efficient location would be on my thigh (ala swat) at a distance that measures the length of my arm--my hand would literally be at the grip when my arm is hanging down, allowing for instantaneous retrieval of the firearm. Having said the above I am asking for comments on the following scenario:
    I carry a lightweight full size FN5.7X28 in the preferred "waist position" mentioned above. I am in a situation where I am pretty much alone on a darkened street (say going to retrieve my car after an evening event) and some individuals are approaching me from say a block away. My situational awareness (SA) instantly tells me to cross the street and continue. The individuals do the same. I now turn around and head back toward my initial location and they are still there (would not expect anything less since they were heading that way anyway) but I sense that they are walking a bit faster. SA is now telling me to be a bit more alarmed. Up to now there is no reason, as far as my appreciation of the law, to presume imminent threat and present my firearm for defense and possible discharge. As I said above, I now realize that if this proceeds to a more dangerous conclusion approaching imminent threat, my ability to instantly draw is reduced with the layers of clothing. I tend to believe that at that point I will draw my firearm from my holster in as inconspicuous manner as possible and relocate it in either a large pocket, if there is one, or in my pants waist where instant draw is possible. I do not consider this to be brandishing (or is it?)since I am not exposing it to anyone in a "terroristic and threatening" manner, but I have altered the line between my CC responsibilty that begins to approach brandishing.
    I am wondering what any of you would do and how you feel about the above actions that I believe I would take.

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    Brandish: "To wave about or flourish in a menacing manner."

    Nope.

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    Are you concerned for your safety? Sounds like you are. If you upholster your pistol and place it in a pocket, as you suggest, it is not "brandishing". If you unholster and hold it down in an unthreatening manner, don't point it at anyone or anything except the ground, don't wave it or otherwise draw additional attention to it, also not brandishing.

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    Having the weapon in your hand and visible or holstered and visible may be considered either brandishing or flourishing in some states. in AZ AK or Vermont you would be fine. In a state that does not allow open carry not so much. Check your local laws, learn them, love them live by them...it is the only way to stay out of trouble as a modern firearms owner and CCW permit holder.
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    you're not concealed at that point...could be a problem. I like the pocket/wb option at that point. If pocket, your hand could be on your pistol and it would still look innocuous to the so far innocent pedestrians.

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    Knowing when you can presume imminent threat is a touchy personal subject. I will not draw my firearm based on a whim and a fancy even if the guys walking toward me have my Situational Awareness at a fairly high level of danger. I agree with Andrew, as my thread espouses; I just feel that at that moment, when seconds are all that is left to me, fumbling under my clothes for a firearm in a holster that is in a legally concealed location per the law (no printing) will not be good enough; I would rather live than die knowing I was a good CCer. My take on the law, with all its ambiguities, at least in SC will provide me with the assurance that I have met my legal obligations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew49417 View Post
    Brandish: "To wave about or flourish in a menacing manner."

    Nope.
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    In Texas it could be called brandishing... but I would do as you said you would... I carry OWB, 3:00, concealed. If in that situation, I would unholster my weapon and, keeping it concealed, I would have it in a more handy spot, and I would then cross the street once again, and keep my eye on them.
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    If you're wearing a hoodie, you can move your carry into the front pocket without exposing it. Our weather might be a little different but I seen dudes wearing hoodies in SC...lolz

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    Quote Originally Posted by tricolordad View Post
    If you're wearing a hoodie, you can move your carry into the front pocket without exposing it. Our weather might be a little different but I seen dudes wearing hoodies in SC...lolz
    Actually what you say is the crux of what I am talking about. If I take the firearm out of my IWB holster under my hoodie or whatever, the act of placing it into the front pocket is exposing it--maybe not to anyone say 10 or 20 yards away, but it is being exposed and is out of its holster and in my hand. Thanks for replies members. I will go with my instincts and be a good boy scout (be prepared) and in this case it means having my firearm in a position of instant use without the fumbling under clothes to my IWB holstered firearm.

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