National CCW permit??

[GOV5]

I haven't even bothered to read where this tangent of the hijacked thread took off from........

I strongly disagree with your suggestion that one cannot know the laws of all the states because, in a nutshell my compatriate, you MUST MUST MUST know the laws of each and every state that you are travelling through if you are going to want to carry concealed in that state. Period. End of story.

Ever hear the saying "Ignorance of the law is no excuse?". Well, I can tell you it is right on the spot.

If you are travelling, do NOT bother buying a book of state laws. That book is pure bullcrap.

You need up to the second state information and that means that you need to travel, believe it or not, with a laptop! We do a lot of travelling and we take our laptop and a data stick just in case the hotel doesn't have data available.

YOU MUST know the laws and the CURRENT laws of every state you will drive through, even for a moment, and you MUST obey them. THAT IS THE LAW OF THE LAND!

To suggest that one does not need to keep abreast of each state's laws is putting the members of this forum at risk of arrest and incarceration. Carrying a concealed weapon in most every state is a felony and there will be no sense of humour about it I can assure you. If you are not able to carry in a given state you need a lockbox in your trunk and you need to know how to transport your weapon through that state.

If able to carry concealed in a given state you need to know the laws of that state as to where you may or may not carry and the requirements (for example, there are still some states that require a maximum of ten round magazines for handguns).

Yes, I am afraid that you DO need to know the laws of each and every state that you intend to travel through and if you play with fire you can expect to get your fingers burned, your gun(s) and your CCW permit confiscated, spend a bunch of money on lawyers and bail and in the end either pay a hefty fine or spend some time stamping automobile license plates.

Please do not presume to give advice on this forum if you have no clue as to what you are saying! You do both yourself and the members of this forum a grave disservice by doing so and put them in harm's way.

Even if a national reciprocity law takes effect it is very likely that such things as prohibited carry places will remain in effect in each individual state.

"I haven't even bothered to read where this tangent of the hijacked thread took off from........"

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That's obvious by your reply. Maybe you should go back and read it.

What I am saying is that I bet nobody is familiar with ALL the laws of each state. And I'll stand by that quote. I didn't say you don't need to know the laws when you are carrying in the state. You read that into my statement, and you were incorrect. If you are going to chew me out, at least do me the favor of reading the entire thread, AND understanding what I wrote before putting your fingers into motion on the keyboard.

The poster to whom I was replying stated that if you are going to carry, it shouldn't bother you to have to know ALL the different laws in each state, and that is a small price to pay to be able to carry. He inferred that the poster he was replying to was a cry baby, and lazy, in that he didn't want to be bothered with knowing the laws. The poster "inferred" by that statement that HE,the poster, knew them ALL! He didn't say that, but his inference was THAT, clearly. I took issue with that statement, as I, or anyone else, should.

While I respect each State's right to govern as it sees fit, I will admit that some take it to the extreme. But I would rather have that problem, than having to give away my rights and have a National Gun Permit that tells you where and when you can carry....and IF you can.

NOW, does that clear it up some for you?

[torontogunguy]

APOLOGIES. No insult intended. Only clarification for the masses. I suppose I have become shell-shocked to the number of posts of hearsay and BS misinforming the masses or just giving plain bad information and it seems that yours was not one of them. Apologies.

There is nothing as important in carrying concealed as knowing what your legal rights and obligations are and the only way to do that is with up to the second information. We happened to be travelling when Nevada decided to stop recognizing half of our permits (we have several permits just to be safe while travelling and will pick up several more as we travel through the states that require in-state education before issuing same... silliness but what control do we have?).

I am a strong believer that either a SCOTUS ruling on interstate recognition or on non-requirement of a permit at all; or a simple one liner attached to a pork belly in federal terms mandating mutual recognition the same as drivers licenses would be appropriate, while staying out of state's business' as far as that states requirements for issuing of their own permit is concerned... a gentle line to walk indeed but one that is long overdue.

Again, my apologies. I need to start taking the time to read the whole thread. Haste makes waste.

"I haven't even bothered to read where this tangent of the hijacked thread took off from........"

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That's obvious by your reply. Maybe you should go back and read it.

What I am saying is that I bet nobody is familiar with ALL the laws of each state. And I'll stand by that quote. I didn't say you don't need to know the laws when you are carrying in the state. You read that into my statement, and you were incorrect. If you are going to chew me out, at least do me the favor of reading the entire thread, AND understanding what I wrote before putting your fingers into motion on the keyboard.

The poster to whom I was replying stated that if you are going to carry, it shouldn't bother you to have to know ALL the different laws in each state, and that is a small price to pay to be able to carry. He inferred that the poster he was replying to was a cry baby, and lazy, in that he didn't want to be bothered with knowing the laws. The poster "inferred" by that statement that HE,the poster, knew them ALL! He didn't say that, but his inference was THAT, clearly. I took issue with that statement, as I, or anyone else, should.

While I respect each State's right to govern as it sees fit, I will admit that some take it to the extreme. But I would rather have that problem, than having to give away my rights and have a National Gun Permit that tells you where and when you can carry....and IF you can.

NOW, does that clear it up some for you?

[tjbbpgobIII]

Now you want a National CCW permit issued and controled by the Federal Government. As an exercise take all the states and put them in order from most difficult to get a CCW right now to easiest. The Feds are not going to go to the Vermont or Alaska style but rather somewhere toward the majority. Remember this is going to have to pass the House and Senate.

The Senate has 435 members so we will have to get 218 to approve it probably according to what their state laws are. This meas that the following states are going to decide what the CCW permit will require and how it will be restricted.
# of Reps Running Total
52 California 52
31 New York 83
30 Texas 113
23 Florida 136
21 Pennsylvania 157
20 Illinois 177
19 Ohio 196
16 Michigan 212
13 New Jersey 225


So check out the requirements for these states to see what your CCW will be like. :)

So sorry and I am new here but you said the senate has 435 members. Would you like to back that up? I think you meant the house has 435 members.

[FN1910]

You are correct, just one of those senior moments. The House has 435 and the Senate has 100. If that is my only mistake for this year it will be wonderful.

[GOV5]

Well, my apologies back to you if I seemed to harsh. There are no problems between us, I assure you. Both of us are in agreement on this issue. All these laws are too different from state to state to memorize and trust to memory while in each state. I'm asking my Representative to introduce a bill that requires a "one issue" mandate. None of this hidden stuff being included with a bill, when the hidden stuff has nothing to do with the main purpose of the original bill. NOW, that being said,I hope your idea of having reciprocity throughout the Nation gets in BEFORE my "one issue" request becomes law! LOL!!!!!

[parksshooting]

this would be a big help when traveling

[Alpha]

check locally to see if you can get a utah permit whcih voers 30 states ofcourse this would be in addtion to your residential state .

[torontogunguy]

check locally to see if you can get a utah permit whcih voers 30 states ofcourse this would be in addtion to your residential state .

And then check to make sure it is valid in those states that you want to use it in being a non-res license, etc.

Nope.... I still say a national reciprocity bill or amendment to a porker is what we need.

[c45man]

Before any national carry permit would be workable, there would have to be somewhat of a consistency in laws from state to state. When they passed the officers safety act, outside of a few exceptions, all state laws were not withstanding. Exceptions being federal property, state and local property that happen to prohibit firearms and private property owners that did not wish to have the carrying of firearms onto their property. And of course no carrying of any firearms that fall under the national firearms act.
It took years for the above law to be passed, and it only passed because of the tragedy of 9/11. I believe that someday national carry permit will be offered, but it will be expensive and probably more restrictive in of itself than many what is now state permits. just my opinion.