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Helluva job! Draws his weapon using other clerk for concealment, clears his line of fire, and hits 3 for 3. Works for me.
Prov. 27:3 - "Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than both"
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No doubt, the guy really thought well on his feet. He assessed the scenario, planned his course of action and implemented his plan perfectly. I'd wager he was waiting for the clerk to come over to the drawer, just so he could use her to conceal his drawing of his weapon.Originally Posted by JJFlash
Wish we all had that kind of time in a SD scenario.
One must be wary of the mentality creating the problem or the law creating the crime.
I love America and the Constitution, if you don't then get out!
Shooting that close to mom and baby perhaps not best idea but as others said things happen quickly and hind sight is 20 20. Shooting him as as he is running away I don't have a problem with. It all depends on the laws of the particular state. In Texas that is not a problem.
By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7
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I don't give a rat's ass if the BG was running away. He was still in possession of his own firearm and was firing back around his body as he ran. Shoot him in the spine and drop him like a stone, I'd still no-bill the employee if I were on the grand jury.
And yeah, mom and baby, 20/20, yada, yada. I'm only moderately concerned by the fact that the GG's sidearm was slewing in the direction of the child, but when the lead starts flying, it's a sign of that woman's lack of a self- or species-preservation instinct that she didn't cover her own child's head, turn so that she was between her child and the gunfire, and drop to the floor.
I'm confident, based on what the GG was able to do, that he had the wherewithall to not do bad things, like pull a Gen. Custer (who once shot his own horse in the head at a full gallop) as he's bringing his gun around and accidentally shoot the baby point blank, had the BG wound up continuing to run out of the door.
The thing I'd be concerned about was how the guy used his large female coworker as a pick to shield his drawing of his sidearm. It seemed like he was whispering into her ear what he wanted her to do at that critical juncture. When all and sundry are already staring down the barrel of a BG is not the time to strategize.
That should already have choreographed with his coworker before hand over lunch time breaks. "Yeah, if anyone ever tries to rob the place, I'm packing a sidearm under my shirt. I'll use a coworker as a shield to prevent the BGs from seeing me draw it and then as I pass behind that coworker, that coworker needs to GO IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, BECAUSE I'M ABOUT TO DRAW DOWN ON THE BGS."
Imagine if she'd gotten confused or panicked and when the GG went to pass behind her, she'd gone in the same direction and she and the GG started trying to dance a ballet of the GG trying to get a clear shot. The BG could have noted something fishy about the GG and aimed for him before the GG had the chance to get his own firearm up and level. Even better, what if the girl had been a hoplophobe and when the GG whispered in her ear, "Here's what I want you do to. I've got a gun--" "YOU'VE GOT A GUN TOO???" Nothing good comes from springing tactics on an acquaintance who has no capacity for tactical thought.
This is an old video, and yes, it's an editted video. It's missing chunks, and the encoding is flaky. I've never played it back smoothly from beginning to end, it always hiccups at various points that aren't represented in the video itself, meaning it's actual playback and not entirely a symptom of the encoding that makes it damn hard to keep a sense of timing and pacing as this particular spectrum of feces intersected with this specific pneumatic oscillator.
When they "Nudge. Shove. Shoot.",
Don't retreat. Just reload.
Hmmm, I didn't read anything into this other than the guy stood next to the chick to make it look like he was helping get the cash, pulled his weapon, moved for a clear shot, and got the job done. The mom was probably in shock. No time to think of things like covering the baby. Brains don't work like that.
Notice after the shooting the shooter does a good job of covering the BG, with pretty good form on his Glock. Range time for sure, or just really good instincts.
I say praise the job for allowing him to have the weapon in the first place and letting him utilze the CHL. Score one for the company of using common sense.
This makes me start thinking twice about not carrying one in the chamber...always skiddish about it and think that the split second it takes the rack the slide isn't a big deal.
...maybe it is a big deal after all.
The BG had a gun but the first person to use it was the worker at the store. I don't care how good he thinks he is . He is lucky that the bad guy did not injury any of the others in the store. Being robbed at gun point when it is not your money and risking the lives of all the others in the shop is not what one should be doing. If he was able to drop the BG so he could not return fire then I would be fine with his actions but that did not happen the BG ran out the door firing as he left. Luckily none of his shots hit anyone. But now he will have other legal issues to deal with for the others in the shop could complain that by him pulling his gun on the robber and firing at the robber cause the robber to open fire which could have been avoided if he did not pull his gun on the robber. I am sure there is a lawyer that would take the case to sue the store and the worker that pulled his gun and fired at the robber for hearing loss damage.from the workers actions. As from watching the video the worker fired 3 shoots and I saw 2 muzzle flashes from the bad guy while he was exiting the store. It could be said that all of these things might not of happened if the worker just gave the robber the money and called 911 . Other down side is the BG could have said the the gun was just for intimidation. We will have to wait to see if it was shooting real bullets or just firing blanks. If it was just blanks I fear that the BG will get a lawyer that will sue the worker that opened fire on him.
Just remember money can be replaced but a human life can not. Lets hope the worker still has a job at the store due to what happened to the bank teller that lost his job for tackling the bank robber that had no gun just his fingers in the shape of a gun.
If nothing else, it certainly appears that the clerk was well=trained in how to use his firearm. This, IMO, has a lot to do with no one else being hurt, although, it could have led to the BG firing off his shots with no regard to anyone who is around. All in all, it ended good so yada yada yada. Could have ended bad; the money was not worth the life of the mother or the child. Do not think he should have drawn gun and fired under those circumstances with the mother and child literally in the field of fire.
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You don't depend on the good graces of a criminal, especially one with a gun.
Bullets leave guns in 10ths of seconds, it would take at least half a second to rack, bad math.
Always carry chambered.
One must be wary of the mentality creating the problem or the law creating the crime.
I love America and the Constitution, if you don't then get out!
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