Who Is Liable?

[Invisible_Dave]

After reading a more thorough report, I have little sympathy for this moron. I feel bad for the families of the dead, and feloniously stupid.

One teen dead, another arrested after Nogales shooting

By Alexis Huicochea
Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 07.08.2009

A Nogales teen is in jail after a gun he was handling went off, fatally wounding a 16-year-old girl.
Raul Garcia 16, was arrested for suspicion of second-degree murder in connection with the death of Sofia Palma on Monday night, according to the Nogales Police Department. Under Arizona law, he will be tried as an adult.

Palma and Garcia were two of five kids who attended a gathering at a home in the 1000 block of North Calle Lomitas, police said. No adults were home at the time.

While there, Garcia found a 9 mm Glock handgun in a drawer. He took out the magazine but “may have forgotten to clear the round inside the chamber,” Lt. Octavio Gradillas said in a news release.

Garcia placed the gun inside his mouth and then pointed it at Palma, police said. The weapon went off, striking Palma on the right side of the face.

Garcia is currently being held at the Santa Cruz County Juvenile Detention Center in lieu of $250,000 bond.
Palma was a student at Nogales High School.

Gun went off 1 step to early IMHO. At 16 we trust kids with 5000 lb cars and trucks on the highway, knowing not to point and click a gun is basic knowledge. Its sad the 2 lives had to be ruined but I don't feel sorry for the shooter.

[utimmer43]

Gun went off 1 step to early IMHO. At 16 we trust kids with 5000 lb cars and trucks on the highway, knowing not to point and click a gun is basic knowledge. Its sad the 2 lives had to be ruined but I don't feel sorry for the shooter.

You mean one step too late.

[Invisible_Dave]

You mean one step too late.

Yes, doesn't make much sense the way I put it. I'm an ass.

[CathyInBlue]

In Indiana, even if my weapons were secure, if a child of mine were to have a friend over and that friend were to obliterate the secured, wooden storage container to gain access to my guns and ammo and were to do bad things with them, I would still get charged under the Indiana safe storage law since I was negligent in keeping them in a wooden cabinet and not an underground vault make of Kryptonite-Titanium alloy and I stored firearms and ammo together and not on opposite sides of the planet.

[utimmer43]

Yeah, I have a problem with safe storage laws. Don't get me wrong, we do need to be responsible in the way our arms and ammo are stored. But that is different for everyone. And like you said, there are some instances where there is just nothing (short of a 2 ton steel vault with a digital combo, eye scanner, key lock, timer, and voice recognition) able to keep someone out if they really want in. Education is the best defense against this kind of nonsense.

[kinard.ashley]

i am doing a project for my lawed class and we had to choose a crime to do a powerpoint on and i chose gayloyds murder because i knew the boy but i don't know what his sentencing was can anyone tell me what it was if you know. thank you

[nogods]

Anyone who thinks kids can be trusted to act like responsible adults when it comes to firearms, alcohol, cars, prescription drugs, and sex is a fool.

There is no excuse for a firearm be left unsecured in a home.

We can't even expect lots of adults to act responsible when it comes to handling firearms, including adults at gun shows, at firing ranges, at gun stores, and even highly trained leo's.

An adult who relies on the "maturity and judgment" of 16-year-old to excuse his own negligence in securing a firearm should be prosecuted for stupidity.

[FN1910]

In some states it is legal for a 16 year old to walk around with a gun at his side and no supervision.

A local story about a 17 year old robbing a pawn shop and killing one employee and wounding another. I don't know what age is OK to carry a gun but I think it should be at least 25 or 30. You can't rent a car until you are 25 so maybe they know something.
Florence teen faces judge in pawn shop murder | SCNOW

[JimPage]

FN1910

The reason you can't rent a car until you are 25 is because the insurance will not cover someone under 25. 25 or 30 to carry a gun? That rules out most of our military and a great many LEO. Be realistic.

[nogods]

FN1910

The reason you can't rent a car until you are 25 is because the insurance will not cover someone under 25. 25 or 30 to carry a gun? That rules out most of our military and a great many LEO. Be realistic.

Leo and military are trained. Insurance companies will not allow rental to under 25 because they know from experienced that they are not mature enough to be trusted with a killing machine.