This just in from NRA-ILA

[MountainGator]

Dear :

Over the past week, pollsters have identified 14 incumbent, anti-gun Congressmen who have gone from safe re-election to toss-up races. Each of these incumbents is being challenged by a pro-Second Amendment candidate. This represents an unprecedented opportunity to deliver a resounding defeat to anti-gun Congressmen like Barney Frank. Such an opportunity only comes once in a generation and I need your help. To take advantage of this rare opportunity, we need to turn out the 10,000 NRA member and former member households who control 20,000 votes in these districts and get them to vote on Election Day. Turning out pro-gun voters and any of their friends among the 2.58 million gun owners who live in these districts is the key to victory. In order for pro-gun candidates to win in these newly competitive districts, NRA-ILA needs to continue – right up to Election Day – the most aggressive Get-Out-The-Vote Drive possible.

I’ve never used e-mail to ask for your help before. But I desperately need it now. You can help NRA-ILA pull off a political miracle by doing one of the following right now.

Click here http://www.nramedia.org/t/7658/6888646/582/0/ and make a secure online credit card donation of $25, $50, $100, $250 or more to NRA-ILA. Call NRA-ILA at 1-866-376-4868 to make your credit card contribution (call Monday-Friday 9:00 a.m. – 9:00 p.m. EST). Turning out the vote in these 14 races gives us a chance to win seats that for years were thought to be unwinnable. We may never have a chance like this again in our lifetimes.

You have the power to elect candidates in these races who will be rock solid in their support of our fundamental Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Please let me hear from you right away. Thank you.

Sincerely,


Chris W. Cox
Executive Director
NRA-ILA

P.S. What you do now will decide the future of the Second Amendment for many years to come. We have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to elect pro-gun candidates in key Congressional districts that were recently thought to be unwinnable. Please Click here http://www.nramedia.org/t/7658/6888646/582/0/and make an urgent $25, $50, $100, $250 or more contribution in support of NRA-ILA’s Get-Out-The-Vote Drive today.

Or, call 1-866-376-4868 to make your contribution by phone. Whatever you decide, please act today.

Thank you again and remind your family and friends to vote!

[Bohemian]

Dear :

Over the past week, pollsters have identified 14 incumbent, anti-gun Congressmen who have gone from safe re-election to toss-up races. Each of these incumbents is being challenged by a pro-Second Amendment candidate. This represents an unprecedented opportunity to deliver a resounding defeat to anti-gun Congressmen like Barney Frank. Such an opportunity only comes once in a generation and I need your help. To take advantage of this rare opportunity, we need to turn out the 10,000 NRA member and former member households who control 20,000 votes in these districts and get them to vote on Election Day. Turning out pro-gun voters and any of their friends among the 2.58 million gun owners who live in these districts is the key to victory. In order for pro-gun candidates to win in these newly competitive districts, NRA-ILA needs to continue – right up to Election Day – the most aggressive Get-Out-The-Vote Drive possible.

I’ve never used e-mail to ask for your help before. But I desperately need it now. You can help NRA-ILA pull off a political miracle by doing one of the following right now.

Click here http://www.nramedia.org/t/7658/6888646/582/0/ and make a secure online credit card donation of $25, $50, $100, $250 or more to NRA-ILA. Call NRA-ILA at 1-866-376-4868 to make your credit card contribution (call Monday-Friday 9:00 a.m. – 9:00 p.m. EST). Turning out the vote in these 14 races gives us a chance to win seats that for years were thought to be unwinnable. We may never have a chance like this again in our lifetimes.

You have the power to elect candidates in these races who will be rock solid in their support of our fundamental Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Please let me hear from you right away. Thank you.

Sincerely,


Chris W. Cox
Executive Director
NRA-ILA

P.S. What you do now will decide the future of the Second Amendment for many years to come. We have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to elect pro-gun candidates in key Congressional districts that were recently thought to be unwinnable. Please Click here http://www.nramedia.org/t/7658/6888646/582/0/and make an urgent $25, $50, $100, $250 or more contribution in support of NRA-ILA’s Get-Out-The-Vote Drive today.

Or, call 1-866-376-4868 to make your contribution by phone. Whatever you decide, please act today.

Thank you again and remind your family and friends to vote!

Biggest & Most Important Race In Country For Second Amendment Rights And The NRA Is Sitting On The Sidelines...

Just as soon as the NRA Endorses Sharron Angle over Amnesty Loving, Constitution Trampling, Second Amendment Hating Dirty Harry Reid; and stops sending me "Thank Harry Reid" fricking letters with their fricking hand out... and stops endorsing gun-banning RINOS & DEMOCRAPS...
Is Harry Reid pro-gun or anti-gun? - Gun Owners Of America

Until they start supporting the Unabridged Second Amendment ...
F*ck the NRA ...

My Pro-Second Amendment dollars go to Gun Owners of America...
The Only No Compromise Gun Lobby In Washington:
Gun Owners of America - Gun Owners Of America

Call The NRA and tell them to Endorse Sharron Angle & Denounce Dirty Harry Reid and the rest of the gun-banning RINOS & DEMOCRAPS they are endorsing...
1-800-392-8683



http://nramembersforangle.com/

[nogods]

Until they start supporting the Unabridged Second Amendment ...
F*ck the NRA ...

The NRA has no reason to support something that does not exist.

The NRA has, through intelligent and politically savvy leadership, grown itself into one of the the most influential political organizations in the US. It didn't get there by chasing fantasy positions.

I'm a member of the NRA. I don't agree with all of the executive decisions but on balance the NRA does a good job of promoting firearms education and protecting and advancing gun ownership rights. It would lose that ability if it chased after irrational concepts.

The NRA supports gun rights advocates regardless of which side of the aisle they sit on. That focus helps the NRA maintain its credibility even with people elected officials it opposes.

[6shootercarry]

The NRA supports gun rights advocates regardless of which side of the aisle they sit on. That focus helps the NRA maintain its credibility even with people elected officials it opposes.

Harry Reid and gun rights advocates are about as far apart as can be. Side of the aisle, *********!!, Not even in the same building...

Compromise is how we've gotten to this point... It's that kind of "fantasy position" crap that gets us in the compromise position... Shall Not Be Infringed... Hummmm, reading it exactly that way I see no reason to compromise... Vermont has it right...

[nogods]

It seems to me that phrase "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" gets convoluted a lot.

That phrase plainly says that the "right to keep and bear arms" shall not be infringed. The "shall not be infringed" phase does not define the right, it merely prohibits infringement of the right, whatever the scope and nature of that right may be.

Trying to use the prohibition on infringement as the definition of the right itself is simply not supported by our native language, reason, or logic, and has been consistently rejected by the SCOTUS.

Heller and McDonald defined "the right to keep and bear arms" to include(but not necessarily limited to) the right to possession of a handgun for personal protection in one's home.

But keep in mind that it is not an unlimited right. For example, as stated in Heller, the right to keep and bear arms does not include possession of handguns by felons. Thus, prohibing a felon from keeping a handgun in his or her home for personal protection is not an infringement of the right to keep and bear arms because the right does not extend to felons in the first place.

Think of it like a law that says no one shall infringe on the privacy rights of another person. We first have to define the scope and nature of the privacy right before we can determine if there is an infringment.

If the privacy right does not include one's presence in a public place, then photographing a person while they are in a public place would not be an infringment on their right to privacy. If the right of privacy was defined to include one's presence in a public place, then photographing a person in a public place might be an infringment on their right to privacy.

But in either case, until we have defined the scope and nature of the right, the "shall not be infringed" prohibition has no effective meaning. It doesn't define the right. It merely prohibits infringing whatever that right may be.

[buddy]

The problem is not the NRA, the problem is that in the real world, change does not happen overnight. Small changes happen, leading to a large shift in the world over many years. The democrats (liberals) are much better at recognizing this reality than republicans (conservatives). No one really believes everything that the United States is now, a left leaning, quasi socialist country, happened overnight. It has happened through many small changes over the last 60+ years. Incrementalism is the way to bring about change in this country and we have to be smart enough to accept that. Some people, such as bohemian, continue to look for huge, sweeping changes to take place, such as an "unabridged" second amendment". Meanwhile, gun grabbers are gradually, not quickly, eroding our 2nd amendment rights (and others too, if truth be told), while you stand on your soapbox and preach.

Picture a dam with a hole. Some on one side are trying to gradually increase the size of the whole, others are trying to plug it. Meanwhile, a few stand aside and say "I am a purist. I don't want a whole at all. I am willing to accept nothing less" while the people trying to make the whole bigger laugh and keep on going. Those of us trying to plug the whole wonder whose side you really are on. Maybe a weak analogy, but it makes a point. All I can think of at the time while at my desk working.

Go ahead and waste your vote on someone who says they will fight for an unabridged 2nd amendment. When we have lost ALL of our rights, including the right to bear arms, you will have no right to stand there and say you are not culpable. It is in fact people who refuse to settle for small improvements, and therefore allow the opposition to win, who will forever be responsible for what this country has, and is, becoming.

[6shootercarry]

The problem is not the NRA, the problem is that in the real world, change does not happen overnight. Small changes happen, leading to a large shift in the world over many years. The democrats (liberals) are much better at recognizing this reality than republicans (conservatives). No one really believes everything that the United States is now, a left leaning, quasi socialist country, happened overnight. It has happened through many small changes over the last 60+ years. Incrementalism is the way to bring about change in this country and we have to be smart enough to accept that. Some people, such as bohemian, continue to look for huge, sweeping changes to take place, such as an "unabridged" second amendment". Meanwhile, gun grabbers are gradually, not quickly, eroding our 2nd amendment rights (and others too, if truth be told), while you stand on your soapbox and preach.

Picture a dam with a hole. Some on one side are trying to gradually increase the size of the whole, others are trying to plug it. Meanwhile, a few stand aside and say "I am a purist. I don't want a whole at all. I am willing to accept nothing less" while the people trying to make the whole bigger laugh and keep on going. Those of us trying to plug the whole wonder whose side you really are on. Maybe a weak analogy, but it makes a point. All I can think of at the time while at my desk working.

Go ahead and waste your vote on someone who says they will fight for an unabridged 2nd amendment. When we have lost ALL of our rights, including the right to bear arms, you will have no right to stand there and say you are not culpable. It is in fact people who refuse to settle for small improvements, and therefore allow the opposition to win, who will forever be responsible for what this country has, and is, becoming.

Small improvements? What frigging state do you live in? I'm in MA and have not seen any improvement!!!
In fact, the "Cradle of Freedom" has become the cesspool of pregressive liberalism, socialism, and is about as unimproved when it comes to firearms laws. All thanks to compromise.

Perhaps it will take those of us who have had enough of the incremental compromise *********, the ebb and flow I'll call it, on the God given right itself, to put some holes in the people on the other side of the dam that keep trying to make the hole bigger. Then use the carcasses to plug the hole in a manner as to send a message to any others who come along thinking "hey a dam, lets make a hole"..

Since when did we all get so comfortable with asking permission to be free?

Those willing to compromise their freedom will have none of it by days end...

[6shootercarry]

It seems to me that phrase "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" gets convoluted a lot.

That phrase plainly says that the "right to keep and bear arms" shall not be infringed. The "shall not be infringed" phase does not define the right, it merely prohibits infringement of the right, whatever the scope and nature of that right may be.

Trying to use the prohibition on infringement as the definition of the right itself is simply not supported by our native language, reason, or logic, and has been consistently rejected by the SCOTUS.

Heller and McDonald defined "the right to keep and bear arms" to include(but not necessarily limited to) the right to possession of a handgun for personal protection in one's home.

But keep in mind that it is not an unlimited right. For example, as stated in Heller, the right to keep and bear arms does not include possession of handguns by felons. Thus, prohibing a felon from keeping a handgun in his or her home for personal protection is not an infringement of the right to keep and bear arms because the right does not extend to felons in the first place.

Think of it like a law that says no one shall infringe on the privacy rights of another person. We first have to define the scope and nature of the privacy right before we can determine if there is an infringment.

If the privacy right does not include one's presence in a public place, then photographing a person while they are in a public place would not be an infringment on their right to privacy. If the right of privacy was defined to include one's presence in a public place, then photographing a person in a public place might be an infringment on their right to privacy.

But in either case, until we have defined the scope and nature of the right, the "shall not be infringed" prohibition has no effective meaning. It doesn't define the right. It merely prohibits infringing whatever that right may be.

BLAHH BLAHHH BLAHHH!!!

It gets convoluted by the progressive liberals who've been seated on the bench by the progressive liberals that have been elected by progressive liberals that are all too willing to deprive themselves of their God given rights... Of course with no God, you have no God given rights... Ahhh, It all makes perfect sense now...

The above reads to me like you're ready to clean your guns and hand them over when they come knocking on your door... Again more evidence... Pathetic... I think you may be one of the people on the other side of the dam. Making the hole bigger...

[buddy]

Small improvements? What frigging state do you live in? I'm in MA and have not seen any improvement!!!
In fact, the "Cradle of Freedom" has become the cesspool of pregressive liberalism, socialism, and is about as unimproved when it comes to firearms laws. All thanks to compromise.

Perhaps it will take those of us who have had enough of the incremental compromise *********, theI ebb and flow I'll call it, on the God given right itself, to put some holes in the people on the other side of the dam that keep trying to make the hole bigger. Then use the carcasses to plug the hole in a manner as to send a message to any others who come along thinking "hey a dam, lets make a hole"..

Since when did we all get so comfortable with asking permission to be free?

Those willing to compromise their freedom will have none of it by days end...

This is just stupid. You are going to shoot people now? Really? I seriously doubt it.

MA is a liberal cesspool, no doubt. It did not happen overnight, though. Do you really deny the fact that liberals have gradually changed this country and were content to take many decades to do so, while people like you stood around writing letters to the editor or posting on an internet site, a load of toughguy bs about shooting people. While you are doing that, our rights are being eroded.

MA is a cesspool due to the lack of reading skills apparently. I never said we should ask permission to be free. I never said we should compromise our freedoms. We should never do that. Each compromise should result in getting our freedoms back, slowly. If I compromise 10 times and each time gets me 10% more rights, I will have my 100% rights back. You meanwhile, are left shouting platitudes and quoting stuff off the internet and wondering why you have no more rights. All because of an "I want it now" attitude.

I am willing to compromise on NV Blue card registration, for example. Get rid today of the blue card bs and I will agree to allow the continuation of something like the ccw requirement to qualify with each semi auto I want to carry. (go to the NV thread if you don't know what I am talking about)Then next time, eliminate the semi auto requirement, and I will vote to allow the continuation of another law on the books I may not agree with. And on and on until we are really where we should be. And where will you be? Still crying on the internet about how you want it all, now, or you may, perhaps start shooting people.

[Bohemian]

How about we ask a subject matter expert on what the founders meant by "Shall Not Be Infringed"...
The Unabridged Second Amendment

Or another...

The First Fundamental Principle of Constitutional Interpretation: Your Rights Don't Come From Government...
Oath Keepers: CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC 101: YOUR RIGHTS DON’T COME FROM GOVERNMENT

"Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." - Tench Coxe

"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!" - Samuel Adams

"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams

Think about this...
I was born in 1962 and my parents had more rights than my children, grandchildren & I do now...
ITS not getting a little bit better incrementally its getting much worse by leaps & bounds...