The "Gun Show Loophole" from New York to your State

[golocx4]

The last thing you people want is New York gun laws applied federally.

This is what a Gun Show looks like in New York State



In November of 2010 the people of the US fired the Liberal Democrats all over the country,
except NY.
The new Governor Cumo (D) appointed the most anti gun former legislator Eric Schneiderman as AG in January. Schneiderman a Harvard Grad probably rubbed shoulders with Obama at Harvard.
Anyway, On Friday Obama pays a visit to Bloomberg in Chucky "close the gun show loophole" Schumers New York City.
While Obama is there, AG Schneiderman announces a 10 month long undercover investigation in which "HE" sent agents to Gun Shows and they made 10 purchases of long guns in the parking lot from private dealers.
However, the press release was crafted to make you think that the dealers were selling guns to criminals by not running a NIC's check.,
3 days later on Sunday Morning, NY Senator Gilibrand announces legislation with Schniederman by her side to close the Gun Show Loophole.
Again, the press release is crafted in such a manner that even some gun owners are saying hell yeah!
The true Facts will never be brought to the public and Examiner David Codera called this on December 1. NY gun show sting announcement full of sound and fury, signifying opportunity - National gun rights | Examiner.com

These private sales were not from dealers, the Gun Show operators have been subpoena'ed to turn over all the FFL records of all the sales from the actual dealers that rent tables. (records they don't have, if that gives you and idea where this is headed) This whole thing was contrived from the get go to shut down gun shows. But through the manipulation of the press and use of public funds the stooges of the anti gun lobby seem to be winning the battle on this one.

Here are some blatant lies from the NYS Website at A.G. SCHNEIDERMAN ANNOUNCES RESULTS OF STATEWIDE UNDERCOVER GUN SHOW INVESTIGATION
Operation Background Bust" Shows Blatant Disregard for Gun Show Laws Requiring Background Checks (10 guns in 10 months with over 90 Gun shows is not a Blatant Disregard.

Vendors Sold Guns to Customers Who Disclosed They Had Orders of Protections Against Them - Fully Knowing They Couldn't Pass a Background Check (They were not vendors, just private guys that brought their rifle to a gun show to sell or trade. And in NY you can give a woman a mean stare and her lawyer can get an Order of Protection.) This qualifies you as a mental case and thus you are not allowed access to a firearm.

AG Calls On Lawmakers to Address 'Accountability-Gap' in Gun Show Law. It took 3 days for Gilibrand to answer that call.

Schneiderman: Illegal Sales at Gun Shows Endanger the Public by Giving Felons, Terrorists and the Dangerously Mentally Ill an Open and Anonymous Marketplace to Buy Guns Without a Background Check
These were UC cops that told the seller, You know, I probably could't pass a background check inside. (In NY if your other half puts an order of protection on you, you can not buy a gun or even have a gun)

IMHO Schniederman used public funds to gain favor for a future Federal Judgeship from Obama, an invite to Bloombergs Christmas party, or contributions for MAIG.
Either way, on the first buy in the parking lot, the guy should have been arrested then, no need to drag out for 10 months other than publicity. The awareness would have been set and the existing law enforced.

Trust me when I say, you do not want NEW YORK style gun laws of any kind in your state much less your country.
Most New York Gun Owners don't have a clue as to how it works in the other states. Thankfully, I am just a transplant and know better.

[Keykutter]

This only works because transfers between regular citizens is illegal without paperwork in NY anyway right?

I don't know, I'm just asking.

It couldn't work in states where individual sales are legal.

KK

[golocx4]

This only works because transfers between regular citizens is illegal without paperwork in NY anyway right? I don't know, I'm just asking.
It couldn't work in states where individual sales are legal.
KK

IN NY the transfer/sale of a Long Gun between citizens is legal (EXCEPT ON THE GROUNDS OF A GUN SHOW)
This is what they are trying to change with the final outcome of registration of all long guns, just like hand guns.
The Transfer of a Handgun between regular citizens is only possible of you have a license to own a gun in the first place.
Both parties must be licensed, then the seller has to have the gun removed from his registration and the buyer must have his added. Sounds complicated?
Not to us NY'ers, we are used to this excessive restriction. The buyer has to take all the info to the pistol license office of his county and the office then gives the buyer a coupon. The Buyer meets the seller, give the seller the coupon, the seller gives the buyer the hand gun, the seller then takes the coupon to his pisol license office (if in another county) and turns in the coupon, the gun is them removed from his registration list of handguns. Not mentioned is the miles driven, paying for parking, and in some cases the signed transfer ppwrk must be notarized.
Yeah, you don't want this crap in your state, trust me.
Senator Gillibrand is introducing legislation Federally. So it would apply to all states.

[Malakai Christoff]

Its been my understanding & practice for private sales that a COE (certificate of eligebilty) form is completed by both partys with all needed info filled out including 2 forms of ID. Its then copied & ea party recieves one. As far as I know this is completly legal Federaly & is a legal transfer relieving & instating ownership of the FA. Does it change from state to state? How would a citizen even request a NICS check for a private sale without a FFL # to even log in?

[golocx4]

If I want to sell you my shotgun lets say from this forum, if you are from NY we meet and we make the sale, no different that me selling you a hammer. No paperwork required. No Nic Check. (at least for now) This is also part of their intent. It is the loop hole you hear Schumer and Bloomberg babbling about.

AT A GUN SHOW, The Gun show operators have FFL's Available to make the NIC Check (on both).
This opens a whole new can of worms. What do you do if one of the parties flunks.
You as a FFL don't have possession of the actual rifle. But when someone is not eligible I think something has to be done with the rifle for ATF. Perhaps a FFL can answer.

[Keykutter]

Right now, there is not much the same from state to state.

For instance, in SC, there is no restriction for transfer between residents of SC except that you can't transfer if you KNOW someone is ineligible to own a firearm.

There is also no background check required from a dealer if you have a CWP.

This new bill he is trying to introduce would really put a fly in the ointment down here.

KK

[BC1]

The last thing you people want is New York gun laws applied federally.

This is what a Gun Show looks like in New York State



In November of 2010 the people of the US fired the Liberal Democrats all over the country,
except NY.
The new Governor Cumo (D) appointed the most anti gun former legislator Eric Schneiderman as AG in January. Schneiderman a Harvard Grad probably rubbed shoulders with Obama at Harvard.
Anyway, On Friday Obama pays a visit to Bloomberg in Chucky "close the gun show loophole" Schumers New York City.
While Obama is there, AG Schneiderman announces a 10 month long undercover investigation in which "HE" sent agents to Gun Shows and they made 10 purchases of long guns in the parking lot from private dealers.
However, the press release was crafted to make you think that the dealers were selling guns to criminals by not running a NIC's check.,
3 days later on Sunday Morning, NY Senator Gilibrand announces legislation with Schniederman by her side to close the Gun Show Loophole.
Again, the press release is crafted in such a manner that even some gun owners are saying hell yeah!
The true Facts will never be brought to the public and Examiner David Codera called this on December 1. NY gun show sting announcement full of sound and fury, signifying opportunity - National gun rights | Examiner.com

These private sales were not from dealers, the Gun Show operators have been subpoena'ed to turn over all the FFL records of all the sales from the actual dealers that rent tables. (records they don't have, if that gives you and idea where this is headed) This whole thing was contrived from the get go to shut down gun shows. But through the manipulation of the press and use of public funds the stooges of the anti gun lobby seem to be winning the battle on this one.

Here are some blatant lies from the NYS Website at A.G. SCHNEIDERMAN ANNOUNCES RESULTS OF STATEWIDE UNDERCOVER GUN SHOW INVESTIGATION
Operation Background Bust" Shows Blatant Disregard for Gun Show Laws Requiring Background Checks (10 guns in 10 months with over 90 Gun shows is not a Blatant Disregard.

Vendors Sold Guns to Customers Who Disclosed They Had Orders of Protections Against Them - Fully Knowing They Couldn't Pass a Background Check (They were not vendors, just private guys that brought their rifle to a gun show to sell or trade. And in NY you can give a woman a mean stare and her lawyer can get an Order of Protection.) This qualifies you as a mental case and thus you are not allowed access to a firearm.

AG Calls On Lawmakers to Address 'Accountability-Gap' in Gun Show Law. It took 3 days for Gilibrand to answer that call.

Schneiderman: Illegal Sales at Gun Shows Endanger the Public by Giving Felons, Terrorists and the Dangerously Mentally Ill an Open and Anonymous Marketplace to Buy Guns Without a Background Check
These were UC cops that told the seller, You know, I probably could't pass a background check inside. (In NY if your other half puts an order of protection on you, you can not buy a gun or even have a gun)

IMHO Schniederman used public funds to gain favor for a future Federal Judgeship from Obama, an invite to Bloombergs Christmas party, or contributions for MAIG.
Either way, on the first buy in the parking lot, the guy should have been arrested then, no need to drag out for 10 months other than publicity. The awareness would have been set and the existing law enforced.

Trust me when I say, you do not want NEW YORK style gun laws of any kind in your state much less your country.
Most New York Gun Owners don't have a clue as to how it works in the other states. Thankfully, I am just a transplant and know better.

A few clarifications about NY:

New York does not require a background check prior to the private sale of a firearm that does not occur at a gun show (although a handgun license may be required). Only private sales made AT a gun show require a background check.

New York is not the only place a person cannot buy a gun with an active protection order against them. It is illegal in every state. Fed law - 18 USC § 922(g) & (n) - prohibits the possession of a firearm in ANY state by any person who is subject to a domestic restraining order.

Attempts to close the gun show loophole have been mainly on the federal level. Senators like Schumer are a problem for everyone in America. He has no say in NY state law. A number of states prohibit the private sale of a firearm on the grounds of a gun show.

Gun laws in NY are less stringent than in many shall-issue states. In NY it is not illegal to carry a gun in a bar, restuarant, public transportation, a church, hospital, bank , etc. If stopped, there is no requirement to notify LEO you are carrying a gun. Permits are granted for life. There is no training requirement or qualifier required by law; licensing officers like to see applicants complete the course "NRA First Steps Pistol." Many other states require a lengthy training class and qualifier. The real issue in NYS is that CCW permits are often restricted for new applicants, allowing concealed carry only when doing certain activities. However a wide berth is given to gun owners on this.

Once issued the CCW permit New Yorkers are pretty much unmolested. We've done nearly 1,800 permit applications for clients and have had close to 100% approval rate.

There is presently no legislation in play to require registration of long guns in NYS.

[golocx4]

Totally agree with you. But our two Senators, the King of NYC, and the Attorney General are at the root of wanting and trying to change all of that. This latest escapade is shielded under keeping guns out of the hands of criminals. How can anyone be against that. The real purpose is much more sinister, and that is the elimination of private sales, without an FFL or registration, under the guise of closing the Gun Show Loophole.

[mrcustomsteel]

The scary thing about "closing the gun show loophole" is that if the law is written correctly in the eyes of the anti-gun crowd it could be loosely interpreted to cover all gun transfers, like giving your son a shotgun for graduation, brother a christmas present or inheriting your father's gun collection.

[golocx4]

Thank you, you get it.