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This is a discussion on Witness counters Trayvon Martin media narrative within the Firearm Politics & 2nd Amendment Issues forums, part of the Main Category category; Originally Posted by CathyInBlue To be fair, BHO said that his notional son would LOOK like Trayvon, not that he ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CathyInBlue View Post
    To be fair, BHO said that his notional son would LOOK like Trayvon, not that he would be a punk-ass, foul-mouthed, gangsta wannabe with gold teeth and a bad attitude.


    I beg to differ. After becoming the aggressor (following a suspect and closing in on him), having the target turn and confront the aggressor, and a scuffle ensue, then in order for what you said to be true, the aggressor would have to break away and flee, or otherwise signal his intention to terminate his hostilities. There's no indication yet that Zimmerman did that.

    There are questions of whether the 911 operator told him to stop following Trayvon and whether he then stopped following him. If Zimmerman did stop following Trayvon, and if Trayvon then turned aggressor and started following Zimmerman, then you would be correct. The role would have been reversed and Zimmerman would have made an overt act to cease hostilities and Trayvon would be the aggressor. In that scenario, the aggressor pummelling the target does deserve some surgicly inserted lead.

    But if the victim of aggression merely turns on the aggressor and engages in mutual combat to terminate the aggression, anything the victim does to terminate the aggression, including employing lethal force, may be warranted. However, once mutual combat has ensued, the only legal thing for the aggressor to do to terminate combat is to flee, yell uncle, tap out, etc. An aggressor may never prosper by goading a victim into combat and then employing lethal force to terminate the aggression that the aggressor initiated.
    The only question in my mind is whether or not Zimmerman did that and Trayvon then assumed the role of aggressor, and for that reason, I will keep my opinions, about the Sandford, FL shooting's legality or a just outcome of the case, to myself.
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    Fla.ST 776.041 Notice 2(a)
    776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
    (1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
    (2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
    (a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut:291285
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    O_o What? So if somebody twice your size chases you down, and you not knowing why till you can no longer run. You wouldn't fight back? What did you learn in your ccw classes? Observe the situation Before You Shoot and Never Chase After Suspect!!! Zimmerman makes CCW carriers look irresponsible.
    Do you have a cite and/or link to where it is shown that Zimmerman is twice the size of Trayvon? Do you have cites and/or links to where it is shown that Trayvon was cornered and could no longer run?

    Or do you just like to use sensationalism in order to push your opinion?

    And it is irresponsible to jump to conclusions before knowing all the facts.
    This guy posts all about sensationalism and false evidence (if not completely illogical).

    Exhibit 1: Twice your size. 5'9" 200 pounds: TM was 6'2" 160-180 lbs (depending on sources). Blackice is wrong.
    Exhibit 2: Chases you down, and you not knowing why til you can no longer run: No one was running after each other. No one was running till they couldn't run anymore. And even if they were running, do you think a 5'9" 200 pound guy could outrun a 6'2" 170lb FOOTBALL player? Blackice is wrong and illogical.

    Until all the facts come out, no one, especially the likes of people with the mindset of blackice, should be spouting judgement. The truth is coming out, so hopefully we will be getting a better picture of what went on, even though this story has really no more meaning than the other slayings of recent that received no coverage.
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    [QUOTE=Firefighterchen;291383]Until all the facts come out.[/QUOTE]

    Oh come on ffchen, ya can't gain support with facts but with conjecture and propaganda. It's not the logic that merits but HOW YOU FEEL about it. OR, how can I manipulate the story so I can get a edge or some type of remuneration. As they say, "Don't hate the player, hate the game."

    I just can't believe we have come this far as to allow and have accepted race baiting and hate mongering as a actual position that's aired and or promoted in the media. Divide and conquer has come to fruition. Just wait till November.....
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