let's have a vote

[JohnD13]

I have to hand it to you Otis, you're consistent. Wrong in my opinion, but freedom of speech still is in effect.

[The_Outlaw]

Actually yes, they have a freer economy than we do. I hope we can get there under obama. I think we can.

So you are okay with China's 'forced abortions' on pregnant women to better help it's own economy?
Yeah, that sounds like real 'freedom'.

China one-child policy leads to forced abortions, mothers' deaths - Los Angeles Times

You are truly an idiot and a troll OtisM.

[1funvet]

Leave Jindal here in LoUiSiAna.

[gunnerbob]

Actually yes, they have a freer economy than we do. I hope we can get there under obama. I think we can.

You think that more gov't intervention into the economy helps? Glad to break it to you OtisM, it doesn't. And, no... the Chinese economy isn't "freer" than ours, an economy run completely without a "free market" system... isn't "freer"... it's fixed, regulated, controlled, and taxed to benefit the Communist regime. A free market economy, meaning one without gov't intervention, will prosper beyond anything you've seen in your life. A free market system controls its own prices based on supply and demand, not what the gov't sets it at to "give everyone a chance"... if a particular item cost too much, it won't be bought and business will suffer... thus driving the price down in order to make profit.

The more money that is taken by the gov't in the form of taxes is the less available to be spent on useful, desired items in an economy. As well as the less in peoples savings accounts. Which, not sure if you know this, but in our "fractional reserve" system of banking, the more money in the bank is the more money said bank has available to lend out for businesses and projects... those of which will hire more people to further the growth and prosperity of itself. So, you see OtisM, the more money the gov't has, the less is actually available to strengthen the economy. Gov't doesn't create wealth, it can't... not true free market wealth. The reason why is that every dime given to gov't employees is just tax dollars taken from everyone else(except you). Now, if you have more employment in gov't earning more salary than the civilian economy does on it's own in a free market system... the more you have to borrow(from China) to cover the salary of said gov't employees. That borrowed money is then paid back, plus interest(we actually can't pay off our debt) by the free market, civilian economy... which is already struggling to support the bloated gov't enterprise in the first place.

Did you know OtisM, that the largest economic boom our nation has seen came before 1900? Per capita, more wealth was created during the period after the Civil War & before 1900 than ever in our history. Now, I want you to consider something... this was before gov't regulated anything but itself, this was before the Federal Reserve was created, and it was before the Bull Moose party creation(Progressive Liberalism) by Teddy Rosevelt. A sidenote for you OtisM... the Federal Reserve is the nations central bank in charge of money printing, lending, and leasing. They are not a U.S. gov't owned organization(despite what you may think), they are run by civilians who are rich beyond your dreams along with some very corrupt, rich polititians. Central banking is nothing new in America... there's been a few... that ALL FAILED and were abolished by the gov't b/c they created hyper-inflation and chaos in our economy. Anyway, this central bank was formed in secret after the turn of the century, put in place to convince the public that they would ensure sound money creation and prevent inflation... now, unless you're an idiot, you'll understand that it does just the opposite. Every dollar bill that rolls off the line, being backed by nothing(we're off the gold standard) will be worth less than the one before it... it's simple really, remember the supply and demand thing we talked about... well, if there are 800 billion dollars in the world market worth nothing, b/c they're backed by nothing... who is really going to place confidence in it as true wealth and protection against economic downturns?

If each dollar that is printed is worth less than the one before it, that means it'll cost you more dollars to acquire the same product. Not b/c that product is actaully worth it, but b/c the company who makes it must charge more for it to pay their employees and for their expenses... b/c it takes more worthless dollars to run that... did I lose you? Now, here's the big problem... what happens if wages don't keep up with inflation? You can't afford what you need right? Yep... and if you can't afford it, then the guy who's actually in poverty sure as hell can't afford it! So, crime increases b/c people will simply steal what they need from those who have it. This creates another whole set of issues... Well, you say let them go on unemployment... oh yeah, that gov't system where less people are paying into it than is being taken out of it... yeah, that'll work out real well long term.

It's one big circle OtisM, every couple of generations people get so dumb they forget about what it cost their great-great granparents to survive after the last group of idiots took power and tried to create utopia with other people's money... Socialism never, ever lasts... ever. History proves this, gov'ts never lasts... history proves this. And, a Socialist gov't only lasts as long as the people remain ignorant and lazy to what liberty is. The aftermath of a failed Socialist gov't is always far worse than the intended utopia for the "greater good". Guess what OtisM, not everyone is as lazy and ignorant as you... and when this thing called 21st century America collapses into chaos, those of us who know how to survive off our own merits won't have pity on you.

I'm sure you have no idea what I just typed and will think I pulled it out of my butt... that's okay... your opinion means less to me than the sh!t I dropped off in the toilet this morning. You, I'm sure are just an argumentative, insignificant, ignorant, lazy, little leech on productive society's @ss...

I bid you a good day OtisM, may you "hear the pop" some day.

[Tripletap]

Obama/Biden. Incumbents, effective, they do what they campaign on, and they are young with progressive ideas. Can't wait. Get out that vote.

Actually yes, they have a freer economy than we do. I hope we can get there under obama. I think we can.

I really think at this point OtisM is just looking for the shock and awww reaction at what he says. I wish I could compile every rediculous quote this guy has had. I know I'm going out on a limb here , But he can't be as stupid as he makes himself out to be.....Or can he

[eagleeyes]

ron paul for prez

[~OtisM~]

I've been to china. There is no one child policy with forced abortions. The gov is barely keeping control and the only reason they have is because they are distributing wealth more fairly to avert rebellion. You can have as many kids as you want. The one child policy Crap was a 60 mins story to paint the Chinese as inhuman or savages. It worked. In reality they are in much better shape than we are due to strong leaders. Obama/biden 2012! And 2016!!!!! Booyah.

[The_Outlaw]

I've been to china. There is no one child policy with forced abortions. The gov is barely keeping control and the only reason they have is because they are distributing wealth more fairly to avert rebellion. You can have as many kids as you want. The one child policy Crap was a 60 mins story to paint the Chinese as inhuman or savages. It worked. In reality they are in much better shape than we are due to strong leaders. Obama/biden 2012! And 2016!!!!! Booyah.

Care to back that bull$hit up with any facts troll?

How about this fact as yet another example;
China: Victim of Forced Abortion Is Promised $11,200 | World | TIME.com

I didn't think so.....BOOYAH!!

[DCE]

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[CharonPDX]

I know I have a local bias, but I like Senator Ron Wyden. One of the few to actually stand up for our rights. He broke with party leadership to co-author a whitepaper about how to reform healthcare in the US with Paul Ryan (which got BOTH of them yelled at by their respective leaderships.) Sadly, he isn't the most friendly to the second amendment, so I wouldn't want him as outright president, but I think he'd be a good VP for someone (of either party,) to try to keep them in line for our rights.

I liked governor Romney, and Senator McCain, but dislike candidate Romney, and presidential candidate (and later) McCain. Both were good moderates, willing to work across party lines, before they ran for President, then decided to jump off the extreme cliff upon running for president. Sadly, that seems to happen with most candidates. Ironically, Obama skewed toward the center, then governed even further to the center, yet the ultra-right still decries him as a "Socialist".