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    U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto.

    The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

    On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States. The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress.

    Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms.

    The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws.

    Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be
    no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public? We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment.

    This is not a joke nor a false warning. As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control.

    Please forward this message to others who may be concerned about the direction in which our country is headed.
    We are being led like a lamb to the slaughter (Socialism/Dictatorship).


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    The treaty died a few weeks ago!

    This is a recycled OLD story!

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    Why in the hell would you post an article that appeared in Reuters News on October 14, 2009. Much has happened between then and now, including the failure of the UN to pass a firearms treaty when the US said it would not support such an action.
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not dead and has not gone away. It's been delayed only because they could not get a consensus and let it
    drop --- for now.
    Regardless, as far as I'm concerned, I wish that they would go ahead and TRY to disarm Americans and the sooner the better. Why keep putting it off. Oh yea, wait. They need for ALL agencies to stock up on ammo as they're doing now. Why else would the National Weather Service and the Social Security Administration be ordering hundreds of thousands of hollow point ammo. They are not even law enforcement
    agencies; at least not yet.
    Don't expect a gun grab as much as you can expect limits on purchasing and owning ammo. What good are guns without sufficient ammo?
    Limiting ammo is much easier that trying to take away our guns; but they will try at some point. Either way, the time is coming and everyone
    had better get their head around that fact and how they're going to react when it does come. Me? I guess I'll die at my front door the day they come to try to take my gun. But at least all they'll get is an empty gun and my body after I take as many of them with me as I can. I
    have no desire to live in a country where I can't defend my home, family and property.
    How are you going to handle it?
    Kill them all and let God sort them out!

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    At the end of the movie “The Twilight Zone”, the ambulance attendant asked the victim if he wanted to see something really scary.
    I think the following is what really will happen and it is really scary.
    I think the left, Obummer, Billary Klinton and the Government news media are much too smart to let even a hint about real gun control/confiscation out in the open. They will organize teams of their choosing to pounce on us when we least expect them. They have our names, addresses, correspondence (Email, THIS blog/site) and electronic records of everything we have bought. If you buy 20 rounds of .223 with a debit card, credit card or check they know about it. Buy one of the dreaded assault weapons, be it handgun with a 19 round “CLIP”, Mini-14/30 or the dreaded AR-15, they know. I would not hesitate to think every trip to the range has been recorded. Do you think every person at line to shoot a target is just a good old buddy? Nope. Especially if your truck, car or SUV has an NRA, sticker or anything other than save the whales, Change we can believe in, or recycle.
    No, the little gangbangers and hoods will be deputized, given shiny tin badges and arms bands, come around and say we be from the da govment, we wants yo gun, boy.
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    Understand a few things about treaties. First, just because the president signs it, it isn't law until ratified by Congress, no exception. Second, no treaty can violate either existing US law or any provision of the Constitution. Although a serious development, it's chance of ever being a treaty that takes guns from US citizen's is practically zero. It will take massive US law changes first.

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    I used to think that the POTUS could not do a lot of the things he's already done, and Congress says and does NOTHING about them. Does that tell us anything???? Why would he bother to ask Congress's approval for something this controversial? He wouldn't and he won't. It will be just another power grab approved by Congress by their silence and lack of action. Just more Systemic Failure. Get used to that word because we'll see more and more of it as things fall apart. Like Corzine not being charged with looting MF Global and spending/stealing $1.2 Billion of investors' money that was supposed to be kept in a separate and safe account --- never to be touched; yet it is gone and he's walking around free with a big smile on his face. Sweet gig if you can get it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by balrog View Post
    Understand a few things about treaties. First, just because the president signs it, it isn't law until ratified by Congress, no exception. Second, no treaty can violate either existing US law or any provision of the Constitution. Although a serious development, it's chance of ever being a treaty that takes guns from US citizen's is practically zero. It will take massive US law changes first.
    It does not matter to this guy what is legal. He does not care. He hates this country, us and anyone that has had or has a real job. And the sad thing is IMHO 51% do not care, 50% are on welfare/food stamps or illegal and both. That leaves 1%, us, right here. We have read the Constitution, most of us have taken the oath to same and the flag and we really meant it. He lies. So, little old oath on a much older book about a "New" idea, We, the People, means very little to him and his. If the folks, all of them that have GUNS would join the few Pro Second Amend groups and then right a few letters and emails this crap would be dead. Thing is, the way things are going we are the only thing going to be dead, us and that old Flag.
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    Reasonable suspicion is one thing but the fear mongering and ridiculous claims by some are just plain laughable...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTTAHERE View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not dead and has not gone away. It's been delayed only because they could not get a consensus and let it
    drop --- for now.
    Regardless, as far as I'm concerned, I wish that they would go ahead and TRY to disarm Americans and the sooner the better. Why keep putting it off. Oh yea, wait. They need for ALL agencies to stock up on ammo as they're doing now. Why else would the National Weather Service and the Social Security Administration be ordering hundreds of thousands of hollow point ammo. They are not even law enforcement
    agencies; at least not yet.
    Don't expect a gun grab as much as you can expect limits on purchasing and owning ammo. What good are guns without sufficient ammo?
    Limiting ammo is much easier that trying to take away our guns; but they will try at some point. Either way, the time is coming and everyone
    had better get their head around that fact and how they're going to react when it does come. Me? I guess I'll die at my front door the day they come to try to take my gun. But at least all they'll get is an empty gun and my body after I take as many of them with me as I can. I
    have no desire to live in a country where I can't defend my home, family and property.
    How are you going to handle it?
    Two corrections for you. National Marine Fisheries Service is under the DOC, NWS's agency. NMFS is a law enforcement agency and some employees are sworn officers. The recent contract was for the NMFS. SSA also has Criminal Investigators who are also sworn officers.
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