ATF ruling on "shotguns"

[sassedbygov]

This is a re-emergence of the ole "only guns that serve a sporting purpose" as in hunting will be allowed. They are testing Heller vs D.C. and McDonald vs Chicago to see how far and fast they can set precedent.

Remember, they ban rights in little increments. This is just one more increment in a long train of increments.

This proposal is meant to prohibit the importation of, and will eventually ban all those big ugly heavy mag fed Saiga 12's out there. And probably go after the Kel-Tec 12G eventually, which is wider than 3 1/2 inches with a pistol grip.

Just because they don't want your American made pump, doesn't mean they won't come for it eventually.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

PS. Our Gun Control Act of 1968 was derived directly from the Nazi "Law on Weapons 1938" by none other than Thomas Dodd from CT

Common Sense

[B2Tall]

I read the study a while back. The bottom line is that the ATF study is about imported shotguns. It doesn't concern domestics. They're thinking about doing to shotguns what they did to assault rifles back in '89, i.e. if it's foreign it can't be too "military-like" but if it's domestic then the sky's the limit when it comes to all the imported no-nos such as bayonet lugs, hi-cap mags, flash supressors, etc.

Even if this study does become law (it's a long ways away from that) it'll be just like the assault rifle BS - buy the sanitized imported shotgun (it's mostly aimed at Saigas) and trick it out with all the aftermarket accessories that you want.

[James Huntsberger]

BATFE is going after the Saiga 12 shotguns and others on "sporting purpose" grounds. Saying that tactical and combat competitions (3-gun), are not sports. However the telescoping stock wording will include many turkey guns as well . This must be stopped don't think it won't effect you and let it slide.

[ccondon]

So if that is their thinking, if I put a pistol grip on any rifle or shotgun and cut off the stock it becomes a pistol, so I can also cut the barrel down to pistol length. ? Same logic, and still doesn't make it right.

[G50AE]

So if that is their thinking, if I put a pistol grip on any rifle or shotgun and cut off the stock it becomes a pistol, so I can also cut the barrel down to pistol length. ? Same logic, and still doesn't make it right.

That is incorrect. The action of a pistol cannot have previously been assembled as a rifle, shotgun or other weapon. Putting a pistol only grip on a shotgun or rifle makes it an other weapon, not a pistol.

[scouser]

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Third, the first step of anything is to take a piece nobody cares about.

This must not be allowed to happen. I'm all for buying American but that is a PERSONAL CHOICE, not something for the government to legislate.

In my mind the statement in bold is the most important thing for people to think about when any kind of restriction is discussed

[cawpin]

That is incorrect. The action of a pistol cannot have previously been assembled as a rifle, shotgun or other weapon. Putting a pistol only grip on a shotgun or rifle makes it an other weapon, not a pistol.

That isn't quite correct. If the overall length of the shotgun us still over 26 inches then it is still considered simply a shotgun. It does not matter if it just has a pistol grip with no butt stock.

[G50AE]

That isn't quite correct. If the overall length of the shotgun us still over 26 inches then it is still considered simply a shotgun. It does not matter if it just has a pistol grip with no butt stock.

That used to be the case. However under the BATFE's reintereptation of the law the weapon becomes an "other weapon" not a shotgun.