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1976? You should change your name from hotti to old bag lady
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if not a top hand with .22, centerfire ammo is wasted. Since the 22 is much easier to master, if you can't pass a given test of skill with it, then why bother using centerfire on that test, hmm? Cause your poor little ego can't handle the idea that you are not a top hand yet? I've been a Class A IPSC shottist since we created the organization in 1976, I KNOW what top level combat pistol performance is. If you aint even got a shot-timer, you don't have a CLUE about such things, that much is guaranteed.
for instance, when I first shot a Leatherslap, in 1976, I averaged 1.30 seconds, 10 yds, 18"24" steel gong, usin a surrender start I was shooting an unmodified Gold Cup, out of a Sparks FBI cant holster. The 1AT, I think it was called. I did not know to go warm up beforehand, I sighted every shot, it was my first competition.
After I got my old sweephand "Krondek" timer, I was able to average .87 second with that same rig, but a different gun, with a ducktail grip safety and speed lever on the thumb-safety, because the timer showed me when and where I was wasting motion and time. 1/3rd faster, world class speed, given a non-competition rig, and I did it in a month! With a truE "speed rig", i was able to average .76 second for the same range, target, and hand start.
A great deal of that practice was done with primer only wax loads, along with a lot of dryfire and .22's thru a Colt 1911 conversion unit. The first shot being the only one that can win such a contest for you, recoil control difference with the .45 meant very little, since I WAS well- accustomed to using the .45.
Being .43 second faster is enough to allow me to hit the attacker 2 more times, if need be, so I consider that a significan't improvement. :-) If you can't say, run better than a 9 second El Presidente with a .22, and you know very weell that you must get your time under 6 seconds to be anybody, why waste .45 ammo until you can' at LEAST crack 7 seconds with the .22, eh?
There DOES come a point at which the .22 stops helping and starts hurting, at least for .45 use in the matches. Once you can consistently post Class A scores at major matches, then the diff in recoil is hurting you and .22 practice is no longer for you. However, the matches are unrealistic, being at too long distances, with too many enemies for ANYONE to engage with just a pistol, and survive by anything but pure luck.
Realistic practice, with a pocket 9mm, the recoil diff between the 22 doesn't mean as much, because realistic ranges are 10 ft and less, and normally, all that is needed to make the attacker stop is for your gun to become visible to him, lined up on his chest! When a very determined look on your face goes with this "lock-on", very, very few men want to see what will happen next! :-) So recoil and blast differences in how you practice only mean something for that one guy in 5 who makes you actually fire.
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Im a better shot with my .40 than my .22Originally Posted by hotti
You are making generalizations that you cannot back up. You fail to take into account what kind of gun is being shot and how it influences your accuracy/skill.
My advice is for you to stop giving advice.
Just my .02
A good .45 can out shoot a bad .22. So yep, hotti is off base.
Don't feed the Troll!
"A pistol defends your property and your person from unanticipated threats from thieves and robbers. With it, you can control your immediate environment. A rifle defends your freedom from oppressors and tyrants. With it, you can enforce your will" -Gabe Saurez
If you can afford it, buy an FN 5.7x28. Punches like a biggie calibre with 50% of the weight and with a recoil slightly more than a 22. By the way, I am so glad hotti is an expert, which he makes perfectly clear in his own resume, but his "phraseology" could have been a little less stridently opinionated.
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