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    Default Easier for non-US Citizens to buy guns!

    Looks like the DOJ is going to make it easier for non-US citizens to buy guns in the US:

    U.S. Department of Justice
    Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
    December 22, 2011
    ATF Online - Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives


    OPEN LETTER TO ALL FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSEES
    The Gun Control Act (GCA) generally prohibits any person from transferring firearms to any unlicensed person who they know or have reasonable cause to believe does not reside in the State in which the transferor resides. See 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(5). Longstanding Federal firearms regulations at 27 C.F.R. 478.11 define the term “State of residence” differently for U.S. citizens and aliens. A U.S. citizen’s State of residence is the State in which he or she is present with the intention of making a home; while an alien is considered a resident of a State if he or she has resided in that State for a period of at least 90 days prior to the date of transfer with the intention of making a home. As you know, Federal firearms licensees (FFLs) are required to obtain documentation establishing that an alien legally in the United States has resided in the State continuously for at least 90 days prior to the transfer of the firearm. This documentation is currently recorded as a response to Question 20c of the Firearms Transaction Record, ATF Form 4473.

    The Department of Justice (the Department) has recently concluded that, as a matter of law, applying a more stringent State residency requirement for aliens legally present in the U.S. than for U.S. citizens is incompatible with the language of the GCA. As a result, ATF will be revising the regulations in 27 C.F.R. Part 478 to conform to the Department’s conclusions by removing the separate 90-day residency requirement for aliens. Once the regulations have been revised, both U.S. citizens and aliens legally present in the U.S. will be subject to the same requirements for State residency and proof of residency. ATF is in the process of amending its forms to conform to the statute as well.

    This process of amending the relevant regulations and forms will be completed as expeditiously as possible. Until that process is complete, however, the current regulations have the force of law. Accordingly, for the time being, FFLs should continue to use the current forms and abide by the current regulations.

    ATF is committed to assisting you in complying with Federal firearms laws. If you have any questions, please contact ATF’s Firearms Industry Programs Branch at (202) 648-7190.
    Chad J. Yoder Chief, Firearms and Explosives Industry Division
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    Again, you turn it into a rights thing when it only gives the LEO more ability to enforce laws and provide public safety.
    I am not anti-cop, I am pro-Constitution.





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    We all know that under the Obama Presidency, Illegal Aliens have more rights than American Citizens!

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    They can already nurse off the government sow. This just put the law more in line with that. Time is running short to get them registered to vote.
    "You can get a lot accomplished if you don't care who gets the credit" - Ronald Reagan

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    When are we, as citizens of the United States, going to challenge our government for giving more rights to ALIENS? What I read above does not distinguish between legal and illegal aliens, just says aliens. I am about ready to secede from the Union and establish my own Sovereignty right here at POVERTY KNOB. It will not be a Democratic Republic, but rather a Benevolent Dictatorship. Firearm ownership and possession will be a requirement for citizenship, and citizenship applications will be screened by way of the SHREDDER!
    I don't carry a gun to kill someone. I carry a gun to avoid being a victim! Gary

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    The time is comming to have the chance to get rid of some weak kneed progressive liberals that have sold their souls to special interest and/or political dictates. Re-elect them and get more of the same. In which case stop complaining. Boot them out and take a chance on new blood. The choise is yours. If you don't vote, in my opinion, your aren't interested in what government does, then don't complain about the outcome.
    "You can get a lot accomplished if you don't care who gets the credit" - Ronald Reagan

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    Amazing comments.... simply amazing. But I didn't expect anything different from most on this forum. I originally saw this post here:
    BATFE removing resident alien 90 day docs - THR

    Different group of people over there, for sure. They are actually happy to see LESS gun control by the government.
    Quote Originally Posted by Flanmedic51 View Post
    Again, you turn it into a rights thing when it only gives the LEO more ability to enforce laws and provide public safety.
    I am not anti-cop, I am pro-Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Amazing comments.... simply amazing. But I didn't expect anything different from most on this forum. I originally saw this post here:
    BATFE removing resident alien 90 day docs - THR

    Different group of people over there, for sure. They are actually happy to see LESS gun control by the government.
    I'm all for less gun control for US citizens but not for non-citizens.
    "You can get a lot accomplished if you don't care who gets the credit" - Ronald Reagan

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    I have no problem with less gun control, matter of a fact I think we should not be required to have permits to carry, but I don't support anything that will give illegal aliens the same right or more rights than American Citizens.

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    I agree with WB9IIE the "Master of Poverty Knob." It is long over-due for our government to stop giving aliens and especially ILLEGAL aliens more rights and free services than they give us citizens of this great country. No wonder our National Debt is so high! We citizens are having to pay for all of those rights that the aliens have not earned.

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    If you want rights afforded by the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights, become a US Citizen. Otherwise too bad so sad. Don't come here looking for a hand out for the government.
    "You can get a lot accomplished if you don't care who gets the credit" - Ronald Reagan

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