Keeping A Receipt To Cover Your @ss?

[Samefly]

thought I'd share this invoice/receipt I made when buying/selling/trading firearms. I read that it was good to get basic info from the person you're doing business with to cover your @ss when it comes to getting/selling second hand. Just keep it in your records to prove who you sold/bought the firearm to/from and when.

What do you do when you make trades with someone?

[chiefpropellerhead]

this makes excellent sense. WTG

[B2Tall]

I've bought and sold a number of guns in private sales. I insist on photocopying IDs and if available I'll have a witness sign the receipt as well. Everyone involved gets copies. I scan everything into my computer and then put the hard copies in a firebox that's in my gun safe. I will not be caught without a receipt.

[kelcarry]

Your receipt should also include some form of official ID--be it driver's license number or CCWP number. The receipt should also attest to the fact that based on the signatures both buyer and seller are legal residents of said state(s) and meet all legal requirements for buying/selling said firearm.

[Treo]

I've bought and sold a number of guns in private sales. I insist on photocopying IDs and if available I'll have a witness sign the receipt as well. Everyone involved gets copies. I scan everything into my computer and then put the hard copies in a firebox that's in my gun safe. I will not be caught without a receipt.

If I don't know you I am sure as Hell not giving you a copy of my ID. In Colorado private sales are unregulated, you can't sell to someone you know is an out of state resident or a prohibited person. you give me the cash I give you the gun, done deal.

I think this whole going above and beyond the law is a Fudd trick and I won't do it. If the police show up on my door step looking for a particular gun I ask for a warrant and an attorney

[B2Tall]

If I don't know you I am sure as Hell not giving you a copy of my ID.

I respect your right to privacy, but I wouldn't sell you a gun w/o some sort of photo ID.

In Colorado private sales are unregulated, you can't sell to someone you know is an out of state resident or a prohibited person. you give me the cash I give you the gun, done deal.I think this whole going above and beyond the law is a Fudd trick and I won't do it. If the police show up on my door step looking for a particular gun I ask for a warrant and an attorney

You wouldn't just tell them you sold it?? You wouldn't want to just be able to hand them a slip of paper and say "go talk to him"?? So you would rather risk bringing heat on yourself in a situation that is 99.9999999% probably just the police trying to track a gun that was used in a crime (and catch a BG) and NOT some government conspiracy?? You realize that in such a case you'd probably be protecting a criminal. Oh well, to each his own......

[Treo]

What bothers me about this whole concept is that it adds extra legal restrictions on firearms sales. If your state legislature doesn't think this is necessary why do you? The Brady bunch thinks this is a wonderful idea and anything they think is good is not something I want to do.

According to the DOJ/FBI less than 3% of guns used in crime are purchased at a gun show or legal private sale. So, the odds are only 3 in 100 that Tyrone the Thuggg4life is going to come to your house and pay 800$ for your duck gun as opposed to giving his dope man 50$ for a used Jimenez (That he thinks is a Glock).

In the unlikely event that you do sell a gun that some Yo-Yo uses to knock off a 7-11 your best bet is to tell them you sold the gun X days/weeks/months ago and refer all further questions to an attorney whether you have a receipt or not.

Finally, as I said earlier, I don’t know you I am certainly not going to let you photocopy my Dl or other ID (can you say “identity theft” boys and girls? I knew you could).

If you are that worried why not just do the transfer through an FFL

[NavyLCDR]

I've done exactly the same thing as in the OP, EXCEPT no driver's license number recording. A receipt for a gun transaction is no different than a receipt for buying a candy bar at the store.... it simply show's that goods were delivered and accepted by the buyer, and it shows that the money or other compensation was received and accepted by the seller. It's a smart BUSINESS thing to do, and the fact that a gun is involved has nothing to do with that.

Copying driver's license/CPL information? No way. I refuse to do it as a buyer and a seller, and I have been both.

I've lost the receipts for my firearms transactions - usually within about a week... :-)

[B2Tall]

What bothers me about this whole concept is that it adds extra legal restrictions on firearms sales. If your state legislature doesn't think this is necessary why do you?

There's a difference between doing the bare minimum and going a bit further to cover your rear.

I don't care what form of ID it is as long as it has a name and a picture....DL, CCW, work ID, library card, etc. and if someone wanted to scratch out the address and/or some relevant numbers, that would be fine by me as well.

Most states (including mine) prohibit the transfer of a firearm to someone under the age of 18 so in many cases you'd have a legal obligation to confirm their age (working in the bar/nightclub industry I've checked about a gazillion IDs and I've seen plenty of 16 yr olds who look 25).

I guess I'm just naive enough to believe that if a LEO came to my door asking about a gun that I used to own, he/she would be doing so in order to solve a crime and catch a BG and not as some part of big government conspiracy to track and seize my firearms.

[B2Tall]

According to the DOJ/FBI less than 3% of guns used in crime are purchased at a gun show or legal private sale. So, the odds are only 3 in 100 that Tyrone the Thuggg4life is going to come to your house and pay 800$ for your duck gun as opposed to giving his dope man 50$ for a used Jimenez (That he thinks is a Glock).

Once that gun leaves my hands I have no control over who carries it, what they use it for, or who they give it to. But if I bought it from an FFL (as I have most of the time) it can still be traced back to me. I've sold guns to complete strangers on a couple of occasions. Nobody had a problem with showing me their ID or with me copying their DL# at the very least. If they did have an issue then I'd tell them to have a nice day and I'd sell it to the next person. Guns are popular and there's no shortage of buyers.

With regards to your $50 street-gun assertaion, they might be a little harder to find than you think. If it was that easy then you wouldn't have so many attempts at straw purchases, especially at gun shows. I know several FFLs and they tell me that they frequently deny gun purchases because they believe it's a straw buy.