At What Point Does Safety Become Overkill?

[Hoganbeg]

Ah! I stand corrected!

[Caribou]

Are we really upset that people are pointing guns at each other on TV? That is why I watch TV. Take away car chases and gun fights what is left? Oprah? Game shows? No, thank you. I also do not get upset when I see the revolver that fires upward of fifty rounds without being reloaded, IT IS TV. I do not get my gun training from Marshal Dillon or Rambo, they are there only to entertain.

I have never cleaned a weapon without looking down the barrel. Nor have I ever purchased a gun without looking down the barrel. When I was in the service my DI looked down the barrel of every rifle on a regular basis. In each of these cases other safety measures were in place. Safety rules are certainly important. If you break the rules, are aware that you are breaking the rules, and have other safeguards in place that is one thing. If you are unaware that the rules exist or that you have broken them then that is something else.

[tuts40]

It's television. The actors, writers, producers, directors and so on are as far removed from the world you and I live in that writing any more about this is ridiculous so I'll stop here.

[FN1910]

Are we really upset that people are pointing guns at each other on TV? That is why I watch TV. Take away car chases and gun fights what is left? Oprah? Game shows? No, thank you. I also do not get upset when I see the revolver that fires upward of fifty rounds without being reloaded, IT IS TV. I do not get my gun training from Marshal Dillon or Rambo, they are there only to entertain.

I have never cleaned a weapon without looking down the barrel. Nor have I ever purchased a gun without looking down the barrel. When I was in the service my DI looked down the barrel of every rifle on a regular basis. In each of these cases other safety measures were in place. Safety rules are certainly important. If you break the rules, are aware that you are breaking the rules, and have other safeguards in place that is one thing. If you are unaware that the rules exist or that you have broken them then that is something else.

Do not go around talking bad about Marshall Dillon or Chester for that matter. I grew up watching him walk out into the middle of the street every Thursday (I think it was Thursday) night for a gunfight with some bad guy. I never did figure out if he outdrew the BG and fired first or if the BG missed and Marshall Dillon made the hit but since he returned the next week he must have won the gunfight. I really find it stupid that people run around getting all upset over some "mistake" or "flaw" in a movie's gun use. If they followed all the safety rules for everything like some want them to do with guns there would be no movies. How about if the "Dukes of Hazzard" had to actually do all the car stunts with the General Lee. I read somewhere that they destroyed about three cars per show.

[Phillip Gain]

You are partly correct about this but training and education cannot create common sense in those who do not have that ability. It can help to compensate but is no replacement. I know some people that are very well educated and intelligent but cannot comprehend some very logical ideas that most take for granted.

I very much disagree with this statement.

"Common sense" isn't something that a person is born with. It is a learned pattern of behavior. It must be taught by someone, or learned through experience.

The stated goal of every NRA course is to give students the Knowledge, Skills, and Attitude necessary to be competent and safe. To me, this is the very definition of "common sense" in regard to firearms.

[Nightmare45]

I very much disagree with this statement.

"Common sense" isn't something that a person is born with. It is a learned pattern of behavior. It must be taught by someone, or learned through experience.

The stated goal of every NRA course is to give students the Knowledge, Skills, and Attitude necessary to be competent and safe. To me, this is the very definition of "common sense" in regard to firearms.

Totally agree common sense is function of learning enviorment.

[improvisation07]

Does this guy break any rules?

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Holy crap dude!!! :/

[FN1910]

Totally agree common sense is function of learning enviorment.

A few years ago I would have agreed with you but as I have grown older and my "attitude" toward working with people has changed. I will not go into why but it does involve several different things including my work experience and my personal life and health. I have learned that the abilities and way that people process information varies completely. It would take much more than a post on here or even a book to explain it but there are some inborn traits that create the difference in people. There are some people that just cannot understand simple math and it is not due to lack of effort or teaching. They can overcome it to a certain extent but will never be able to completely understand it. I am one that is the opposite that I cannot read a book and then compare it to real life as I was required to in my college literature courses. I cannot look at clouds like my wife and see all kinds of scenes in them.

When I taught computer programming I would always start the term off with the exercise of training a person who had never seen a telephone to be a telephone receptionist. Some people could pick up on how to organize the steps of training someone to use a telephone and others could not understand why you needed to.

I also think that our difference of opinion on the development of common sense is more of the definition of common sense. Can a person understand why a rule is created or do they just blindly follow the rule. For instance we never look down the barrel of a gun and treat all guns as loaded. Why were these rules created and can we ever violate them?