The Tueller 21 foot rule...Knife wins, Gun loses.

[The_Outlaw]

This is something that every concealed carrier should be aware of i.m.h.o. The Dennis Tueller 21 foot rule. If someone threatens you with a knife, boxcutter, blade, etc.. from 21 feet away or less, DRAW and AIM your weapon before it's too late.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syxrp...52058EB99D83E8

What a knife attack looks like in real time...

[The_Outlaw]

This video clip is a frightening reality check. Even 'after' being shot multiple times, the suspect is 'still' able to stab numerous officers.

[B2Tall]

Here in Florida the laws governing self defense use 21' as the basis for distance when the threat is armed with a deadly weapon other than a gun. It's my understanding that the 21' rule is when you can shoot. You can draw your weapon any time you feel the appropriate level of threat regardless of distance.

[KCD1974]

^^^ That's the point, you'd better draw well BEFORE the attacker enters 21ft, and preferably have already shot him outside of 21ft. That's only 7 yds...closer than I'd like to see someone running at me with a knife :-) To the second video...WOW...it appeared not all the cops had guns...oops....

[MamaLiberty]

Excellent incentive to practice head shots...

The rule generally is that if someone comes at you with a knife, you are GOING TO GET CUT. The question is "how badly."

As always, situational awareness is the most important starting point. Otherwise, you won't have a prayer of seeing them until the knife is in your flesh.

[swsd40]

Wild/rabid dogs would also fit this scenario.

[B2Tall]

In the first video the attacker was only about 6' away. I would have "defended myself" with my pistol well before that.

In the second video the cops look like they have about as much training in that sort of thing as a bunch of cub scouts. I'm not sure if they all had guns but at least one of them did. Surrounding a potential target makes it a bit difficult for the shooter to have a clear shot without having a non-target in the way. They also made it real easy for the perp to attack them individually.

[Nightmare45]

Big Bore Center Mass, man had knife and inteded to use it.

[Danmc]

I'm no expert, but I don't understand why the perp with a large knife was surrounded. Kind of like putting him in a corner, as well as putting fellow officers in target zone. Also, why were no guns drawn until the perp managed to cut 3 cops? Makes no sense to me.

[Rhino]

In the second video the cops look like they have about as much training in that sort of thing as a bunch of cub scouts. I'm not sure if they all had guns but at least one of them did. Surrounding a potential target makes it a bit difficult for the shooter to have a clear shot without having a non-target in the way. They also made it real easy for the perp to attack them individually.

All of that sounds about par for a third world country like Nicaragua. They looked like they had little or no training, and obviously they weren't expecting to shoot because they put themselves in the line of fire of the other officers when they surrounded him. That probably explains why it took so long to shoot the guy. That and the fact that probablky not all of them had guns, also about par for many third world countries. Come to think of it, some police officers not having guns, and trying to reslove violent encounters without guns, is not all that uncommon in many countries, not just in the third world, even though it seems very unreal to us.

I'm no expert, but I don't understand why the perp with a large knife was surrounded. Kind of like putting him in a corner, as well as putting fellow officers in target zone.

They were trying to arrest him, and apparently it never occurred to them that shooting might be necessary.

Also, why were no guns drawn until the perp managed to cut 3 cops? Makes no sense to me.

Who says they weren't drawn? The cameraman was terrible. He showed the ground more than the people after the action got started.