Waffle House Shooting (Good Guy Wins)

[NavyLCDR]

^^^^

I was waiting for troll boy to come and tell us how I'm wrong for excercising common sense. I'd like someone to cite CC training they've taken that states an armed citizen should thrust himself into an armed robbery scenario like this one and make a citizen's arrest. Please post links to their website.

I was also waiting for Rich_s to come along and put words into my post that I did not.... I don't see anywhere in this thread where I posted any opinion about your statements.

[NavyLCDR]

My opinion is backed by Utah state law, where I live. Hopefully the laws in his state are the same.

For all you know the guy was standing at the register when they came in and had the gun pointed at him as well. You don't know, neither do I. But you are willing to throw him under the bus because you think you know best.

So again.... your bias is showing.

In Washington state the customer would have been 100% within the law as well.

[Keykutter]

In South Carolina there is no duty to retreat. If someone here points a gun, I assume he's gonna shoot and if it within my power, I'll do what I can to keep him from doing it.

South Carolina may be different but it's not just defense of yourself, it's defense of bodily harm, yours or anyone's.

Here in SC, we understand the ramifications of carrying and if it means protecting someone else if we could just walk away, most of us will stick around.

Not ever having been in the situation, all we can do is believe what we would do, and that's what everyone I know believes that they would do.

There have been enough shooting cases in the SC recent history to know where we stand when it comes to defense.

KK

[Firefighterchen]

You clearly have absolutely no understanding of how things work in a court of law- do you? I hope for your sake (and the sake of any bystanders) that you never find yourself in one of these situations.

Please do explain how a customer in a restaurant being robbed is responsible for a bad guys actions in a court of law? Are you saying, if someone tries to run away and the bg shoots in that direction, and hits another customer, the one running away is accountable? I hope he doesn't hit the window of the restaurant or its good bye to everyone...right? *Sarcasm* I hope for your sake you can live with yourself if you watch another person die knowing full well you could have saved them.

All that is neccessary for one to get killed or lose everything they own is to pull a gun when they shouldn't....

All that is necessary for one to get killed or lose everything they own is to not pull a gun when they should....

[Firefighterchen]

I was also waiting for Rich_s to come along and put words into my post that I did not.... I don't see anywhere in this thread where I posted any opinion about your statements.

I have seen this kind of argument else where recently..ah yes..from GOV5..no more valid points so lets turn to name calling and lying. Sounds good ya?

[swsd40]

THE CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE (EXCERPT)
Act 175 of 1927


764.16 Arrest by private person; situations.

Sec. 16.

A private person may make an arrest—in the following situations:

(a) For a felony committed in the private person's presence.

(b) If the person to be arrested has committed a felony although not in the private person's presence.

(c) If the private person is summoned by a peace officer to assist the officer in making an arrest.

(d) If the private person is a merchant, an agent of a merchant, an employee of a merchant, or an independent contractor providing security for a merchant of a store and has reasonable cause to believe that the person to be arrested has violated section 356c or 356d of the Michigan penal code, Act No. 328 of the Public Acts of 1931, being sections 750.356c and 750.356d of the Michigan Compiled Laws, in that store, regardless of whether the violation was committed in the presence of the private person.


History: 1927, Act 175, Eff. Sept. 5, 1927 ;-- CL 1929, 17150 ;-- CL 1948, 764.16 ;-- Am. 1988, Act 19, Eff. June 1, 1988


Rich_S, no this is not CC training and probably never will be. I would believe section (a) would fit this situation. I located this from the state of michigan web site

[walt629]

A citizen defending himself? How was he defending himself? He only needed to defend himself because he decided to get involved. So many things can go wrong that sometimes it's best not to get involved. What if the BG sees your gun, opens fire in your direction, and hits innocent bystanders? What if he kills you? I would certainly be in a civill suit in my neck of the woods for shooting this guy. You need to think long and hard about these scenarios before leaving the house with a firearm.

Keep your panties on! I was referring to people defending themselves in general, not necessarily the story in the OP.

At what point during a robbery do you consider it time to defend ones self? The details of the incident weren't exposed in the article from the OP and I'm not wasting time to go research it.

We've had this discussion sooo many times in here and there are as many opinions as there are posters as to when it is time to get involved. Some would let us believe it is a moral imperative to jump in as soon as a gun is exposed. Others are more measured and some would high tail it out of the danger zone ASAP. None of these answers are BAD answers and everyone can be argued pro and con.

The decision I make at the time that I am involved will be the right answer for ME. If it's Poop and Scoot, so be it. If it's to draw and defend, well I guess I'll have to live or die with the outcome. Won't I?

Rich_S;262927 You need to think long and hard about these scenarios before leaving the house with a firearm.

Every time I put my holster on. Every single time.

The question should be, "If you're so damned scared about what might happen if you carry a gun, why bother?" I can understand your reluctance to do anything that would put your neck out for someone else. I consigned myself to the fact that there are people like you out there.

[walt629]

You clearly have absolutely no understanding of how things work in a court of law- do you? I hope for your sake (and the sake of any bystanders) that you never find yourself in one of these situations.

Wow. Adversarial aren't we?

How about enlightening me how it will work in, let's say Alaska.

My point is, we are all in various states. State law and the circumstances of each incident will decide how the outcome will be judged. Your answer is not the only one just like my answer may work out for me in Florida but not necessarily is South Carolina.

But for the sake of argument, why don't you fill all of in ho how it works in a court of law.

[walt629]

^^^^

I was waiting for troll boy to come and tell us how I'm wrong for excercising common sense. I'd like someone to cite CC training they've taken that states an armed citizen should thrust himself into an armed robbery scenario like this one and make a citizen's arrest. Please post links to their website.

So where, in relationship to the cash register, was the Good Guy sitting while enjoying a late night snack with his wife and 2 kids when the perps came in and pointed guns at innocent people?

Why are you assuming he "thrust" himself into the situation? There wasn't a whole lot of detail in the original story.

[Bighouse Doc]

Maybe some people shouldn't even carry guns since their only idea of self defense is to hide under the table and hope the police arrive to save him!

-Doc