Waffle House Shooting (Good Guy Wins)

[whitefeather]

I know this is an old thread but I am new to this forum. Having read all of the responses to this thread, it is apparent that sides are drawn on how to respond given this scenario.

I tend to be one that would only involve myself if a perp entered the restaurant with shots fired or pointed a gun at me or my family. I am not a LEO nor do I want to be one.

As soon as this CC holder involved himself, he potentially made the situation worse and will have to pay a price. The monetary and emotional cost will last for years.

[snipingshadow]

so as long as he never points a gun at you... you allow him to approach you with gun in hand and search you for articles and when he does somehow he sees your gun and shoots not only you but your whole family or he decides he is going to kill somebody as he runs out the door just to prove a point its going to be you because you are the last one he sees. Once shots have been fired its too late to act. You are reacting and have no control over the situation and somebody has already died and YOU failed them. Great logic.

[Treo]

so as long as he never points a gun at you... you allow him to approach you with gun in hand and search you for articles and when he does somehow he sees your gun and shoots not only you but your whole family or he decides he is going to kill somebody as he runs out the door just to prove a point its going to be you because you are the last one he sees. Once shots have been fired its too late to act. You are reacting and have no control over the situation and somebody has already died and YOU failed them. Great logic.

Because this happens in so many cases right?

[maybejim]

Because this happens in so many cases right?

If you are willing to play the odds, you don't carry a gun because the odds are you'll never need it. On the other hand, it only has to happen once to you and/or your family.

[snipingshadow]

Because this happens in so many cases right?

Your logic that it only happens .02 percent is a fail. Im not risking my life. You gamble your life like dante if you want. Ill make it 100% certain he'll never fire a shot. Given the two stances ill survive and you wont if shtf and bullets start flying. You react while I act. Your ass not mine.

[Treo]

If you are willing to play the odds, you don't carry a gun because the odds are you'll never need it. On the other hand, it only has to happen once to you and/or your family.

I’ve made my position on this pretty clear I carry a gun because the odds of a personal attack going bad are higher than the odds of a robbery going bad. Conflating two totally different situations is like comparing apples to Chinese babies.

Your logic that it only happens .02 percent is a fail.

Not my logic, FBI/DoJ statisics. You can argue against them all you want but it doesn't change them

[Firefighterchen]

I tend to be one that would only involve myself if a perp entered the restaurant with shots fired or pointed a gun at me or my family. I am not a LEO nor do I want to be one.

What do you think bad guys do with their handguns when they rob a place? They point it at people! So what your saying is, you would have also gotten involved if you were in ss shoes during the robbery.

Not sure what being an LEO has to do with you protecting yourself...as they have no duty to protect you so you wouldn't be an LEO in that instance anyways.

[whitefeather]

"Not sure what being an LEO has to do with you protecting yourself...as they have no duty to protect you so you wouldn't be an LEO in that instance anyways."

Law enforcement officers do exactly that, "Enforce the Law". It is there duty to enforce those laws being violated, not "my duty".

Sure, I can protect myself from harm but not to interject myself into an area of law enforcement. I stand behind my original comments to this thread. If I am in a place of business being robbed, I will not enforce the law but will protect myself if directly involved by the perp.

[whitefeather]

so as long as he never points a gun at you... you allow him to approach you with gun in hand and search you for articles and when he does somehow he sees your gun and shoots not only you but your whole family or he decides he is going to kill somebody as he runs out the door just to prove a point its going to be you because you are the last one he sees. Once shots have been fired its too late to act. You are reacting and have no control over the situation and somebody has already died and YOU failed them. Great logic.

Wow! you have interjected a lot of what if's to my comments in relation to the original subject. I could do the same and give you a scenario of, what if you enter a place of business and see a gun being held on an employee by someone you do not know. Given your comments and signature; "Sometimes the best defense is to go on the offensive and strike first." you would shoot the person holding the weapon. What if it turns out that the holder of the weapon is a plain clothes officer in the performance of his duty?

[Firefighterchen]

"Not sure what being an LEO has to do with you protecting yourself...as they have no duty to protect you so you wouldn't be an LEO in that instance anyways."

Law enforcement officers do exactly that, "Enforce the Law". It is there duty to enforce those laws being violated, not "my duty".

Maybe I misread your post. When you speak of protecting yourself from a bad guy pointing a firearm at you, and then follow up with "I am not an LEO nor do I want to be one," I presumed that LEO statement was in relation to protecting yourself statement that preceded it. I didn't see anywhere in your post indicating law enforcement of breaking laws. I apologize if I misread it, but that is how I read it.

Sure, I can protect myself from harm but not to interject myself into an area of law enforcement. I stand behind my original comments to this thread. If I am in a place of business being robbed, I will not enforce the law but will protect myself if directly involved by the perp.

Again, if it's stemmed from a misread, then it's just a misunderstanding. I have no problem with protecting yourself, there was just no indication that you changed from self defense to law enforcement.