Fatally Shot In Chest - Still Fights For Awhile

[tpd223]

We had an incident in Iowa where a Sheriff used a barricade round to shoot a person that was threatening to kill themselves. The round is not authorized by the department and he was never sanctioned for it. He hit the person in the neck at 40'. He says he was aiming for the stomach. Right. The suicidal person was killed.

A barricade round is not a less-lethal round. Barricade rounds will just plain kill people with a direct shot.

If you mean to say he used a bean bag round, well the older versions of these rounds were bad about veering off course and striking areas that you weren't aiming for.

[tpd223]

19 rounds of 9mm and 2 12 ga shotgun rounds to stop a drug crazed perp says 9mm is not a good choice.

And as to your last statements, the S&W that they picked is a decendant of the S&W 645. Small policemen and women might say there is a problem with selection of officers vs the gun itself. Sorry but I'm not going to be PC on this but do PDs really need to lower standards to make things possible for people who really shouldn't be cops, cops? High maintenance? What maintenance? No bigger problem than any .45 will need. And a 9mm should get the same maintenance.

No, it doesn't show a thing other than all pistol bullets suck at stopping bad guys when you don't get really quality hits on vital organs. There are dozens of cases where .40s and .45s failed with multiple hits.


I am a factory certified S&W armorer, and I ran a program which issued the same type of 3rd gen DA/SA guns for almost 20 years, I have a VERY good idea what kind of maintenance is needed for those guns. I also know exactly what the 645, 4506 and 4566 are, having owned and worked on all of the above.

Depending on the 9mm you will need the same or more, but with a modern system like the Glock or M&P you will need far less.

Try becoming an armorer for a multi hundred man department for several years and then get back with me on that one.

I know lots of small cops that are very good street cops, I know several large officers that aren't worth a rat's ass. Your comment on "PC" is BS.

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No, it doesn't show a thing other than all pistol bullets suck at stopping bad guys when you don't get really quality hits on vital organs. There are dozens of cases where .40s and .45s failed with multiple hits.


I am a factory certified S&W armorer, and I ran a program which issued the same type of 3rd gen DA/SA guns for almost 20 years, I have a VERY good idea what kind of maintenance is needed for those guns. I also know exactly what the 645, 4506 and 4566 are, having owned and worked on all of the above.

Depending on the 9mm you will need the same or more, but with a modern system like the Glock or M&P you will need far less.

Try becoming an armorer for a multi hundred man department for several years and then get back with me on that one.

I know lots of small cops that are very good street cops, I know several large officers that aren't worth a rat's ass. Your comment on "PC" is BS.

Just because I'm not a cop or an armorer does not mean I don't know them. Or see what they have. Many departments go the cheap route while others go with what works.

If you don't believe that standards have been lowered over the years, then you have been blind. Back when I was in college there were weight and height standards that the small cops and most females could not meet today. They weren't for fat cops. They were for size. Wait till a 165lb 5'6" cop has the gain control of a 200 pound person who is over 6 foot tall. Size does matter. And just so you know, my major was Law Enforcement, Management and I did have classes in Forensic Science. During those days I couldn't meet the weight requirements for the State.