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    Re: The 3 shots at 3 feet in 3 seconds

    They got that from the FBI statistics for the average DGU.

    As for the gun fight stats, I use this article in teaching my class.

    http://silverunderground.com/2012/07...ge-statistics/

    It is a good read.

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    NYPD GUNFIGHT STATISTICS 1990-2000
    NYPD SOP-9
    YEAR HIT PROBABILITY SHOTS FIRED PER GUNFIGHT SHOTS FIRED PER OFFICER
    1990 19% 8.2 4.4
    1991 15% 5.9 3.7
    1992 17% 7.7 3.6
    1993 15% Unavailable Unavailable
    1994 12% 9.3 4.4
    1995 18% 12.5 6.2
    1996 14% 11.1 6.1
    1997 10% 10.6 5.3
    1998 25% 10.0 5.5
    1999 13% 10.6 5.9
    2000 9% 16.8 6.9
    MEAN SCORES 15% 10.3 5.2
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    Distances In Which NYPD Officers
    Were Involved In Shooting Incidents

    1994-2000
    0-2 Yards 1188 69%
    3-7 Yards 332 19%

    When you see the above post, for the year 2000 they are only hitting 9% of the time and 69% of those were at 0-2 yds.
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    During that 12-year period, Metro-Dade Police fired about 1,300 bullets at suspects,
    and missed more than 1,100 times. This suggests that Miami police fared no better than a 15.4% hit ratio,
    “An armed society is a polite society.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    What needs to be remembered is the figure given in any study is an average. Obviously that means some encounters only involved 1 shot while some encounters involved more than the stated average in order to come up with that average.

    What we need to do is to decide............ will the encounter I'm involved in be one of those needing more than the stated average number of shots.... and am I willing to bet my life it won't?

    Quite frankly, in my opinion, it is wise to prepare for the worst case scenario the individual person can reasonably expect to encounter during their own lives in order to have what is needed for any scenario.
    Agreed. He was asking if any studies had been done. The answer to his question is "yes". Obviously averages mean some fights have more rounds fired while others have fewer. That should be plain to anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cluznar View Post
    Has there ever been a survey that determined how many shots the usual person in a gun fight shoots?

    I know that most gun fights are over quickly so I would imagine it is a low number. Anyone have any info?

    I'm not sure of your interest in the "usual" number of shots needed. The only rule necessary is to shoot as many rounds as are necessary to stop the threat or threats that are coming after you or your loved ones. If you can do that with one shot, so be it, if you have to empty three mags, and can justify the necessity, so be it.
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    The reason for knowing the average amount of shots fired by one person is to allow you to know how many rounds you need available in your first mag. From what I see here if you have a 7 round mag +1 in the chamber you should be fine. My guns hold 7, 10, and 17 rounds which now makes me confident I will be in pretty good shape in a gun fight. You all have provided some interesting info here, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluznar View Post
    Has there ever been a survey that determined how many shots the usual person in a gun fight shoots?

    I know that most gun fights are over quickly so I would imagine it is a low number. Anyone have any info?

    I've seen some surveys in the past and the numbers vary from about 2 to 5 from what I've seen. As some others have mentioned, I've been trained a couple of different ways--most teach firing two to center mass, then assess and fire more if necessary--usually one more to the head.

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    IMO
    if the total shots fired goes past 3, you are in serious trouble.
    Defending yourself against multiple assailants is a losing proposition. period.
    52 rounds carried on your person is good exercise, and maybe a sign of paranoia.

    Few, very few people ever get told, let alone trained about how to avoid a confrontation,
    and most importantly how to avoid getting shot during a confrontation.

    Have you ever been taught to fall down while you are shooting?
    It makes you a smaller and a moving target, not to mention it catches the perp off guard,
    and also makes your shots go upward so that any overpenetration might not hit someone behind the perp.

    Many more things to think about.....

    a carry permit is a learner's permit; something to make you want to learn how to survive the encounter,
    which in reality is more important than "popping the perp."

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluznar View Post
    The reason for knowing the average amount of shots fired by one person is to allow you to know how many rounds you need available in your first mag. From what I see here if you have a 7 round mag +1 in the chamber you should be fine. My guns hold 7, 10, and 17 rounds which now makes me confident I will be in pretty good shape in a gun fight. You all have provided some interesting info here, thanks.
    One thing I might add is that there is a big difference between a gun "fight" and a typical self defense situation. Most people will never be in a true gun "fight"; with BGs that are willing to stand there and engage in a prolonged fight once a victim chooses to resist.

    For those that are unfortunate enough to be in SD situation, a typical revolver or single stack mag is probably enough. But, I still think it's a good idea to carry at least ONE reload; for a JIC scenario where a SD situation really does turn into a prolonged "FIGHT".

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