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BATFE: Any Semi-Auto Can Be A Machine Gun

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    Anyone else read this? Beware at all times. I've known of guns that have done exactly what they are talking about.

    But this guy. What a crock. It doesn't sound believable the crooked stuff BATFE did in court and out of court. Bad news for all of us.

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    BATFE: Any Semi-Auto Can Be A Machine Gun

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    On July 2 I went to jail.
    Happily for me, I left right away. Sadly for David Olofson and his family, he had to stay, and will have to stay for 30 months in the Federal Correctional Institute in Sandstone, Minnesota.
    Why is the federal government incarcerating an Army reservist from Berlin, Wisconsin who has 16 years of service, a mortgage, a wife and three kids? They convicted him for knowingly transferring an unregistered machine gun.
    Since the case was brought by the rogue agency -- the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) -- we must assume that not only was Olofson innocent until proven guilty, but that he is still innocent after conviction. That is why Gun Owners of America is handling Olofson's appeal.
    As our attorneys have looked into the records of the case, it is obvious that a miscarriage of justice has been perpetrated. The chief piece of evidence is an AR-15 made by Olympic Arms many years ago. Olafson had loaned the gun to a young man, who was his neighbor. At a range the gun fired two bursts of three rounds each and then jammed. Normal people would understand that a gun that jams is malfunctioning and seek to get it fixed.
    For the Bureau (aka The Gang), a malfunctioning gun is an excellent opportunity to rack up an easy conviction on an illegal machine gun charge.
    The gun was tested twice... both times with very different results. The first test came back with a report that the gun is a semi-automatic rifle. The next test came back with a report that it had fired a 20-round burst, and was thus a machine gun.
    Firearms Enforcement Officer Max Kingrey got the gun to do something it had never done before. Suspicions of tampering by FEO Kingery, such as the addition of an auto sear or DIAS (considered a machine gun itself) could not be verified, as the defense was denied the opportunity to inspect the gun's inner workings. FEO Kingery's testing was done in secret, and never verified by anyone.
    In all probability, the Bureau tampered with evidence (the AR-15) and took a malfunctioning gun that jammed after a few rounds and converted it into a machine gun that dumped its magazine. Twenty-two years ago, a "drop in auto sear" or DIAS was made specifically for Olofson's rifle from the factory.
    The Milwaukee BATFE agent, Jody Keeku, claims to have found the gun to be a machine gun when she checked it. That means she dry-fired it. A minimal knowledge of firearms (which seems to be above Ms. Keeku's pay grade) would be sufficient to conclude that a machine gun has to fire using its recoil from the first shot to set up and fire the next shot (until the burst control level is reached, or the finger is removed from the trigger).
    Ms. Keeku claims to be a firearms expert, but when the defense asked to see her training credentials and certifications, she declined to testify. She is at least smart enough to see that she would have been made to look foolish on the stand.
    Using two tests to "prove" that the gun is a machine gun goes to one of the big problems illustrating the lack of accountability with The Gang. On other occasions the Bureau has "proved" an accessory to be a machine gun by bolting it to a board and tying the bolt with a shoe string. Since the shoe string was what made the gun fire "automatically," it was declared to be a machine gun. So if you see a BATFE agent, you had better be wearing loafers!
    The same outcome-based testing found that an Upper -- which ATF doesn't consider to be a firearm -- was a machine gun after covering it with duct tape. When that did not work, The Gang added chains, bolts and a piece of metal so the recoil could operate the gun automatically without a trigger. If you cock this not-so-handy device, it fires uncontrollably until empty. Not even a stupid bank robber would choose such a weapon. But then, we are talking about The Gang.
    When a court-recognized firearms expert, Len Savage of Historic Arms, was brought in by the defense, he was not allowed to touch or test fire the gun. That is, not until the Bureau's agent at the trial broke the gun trying to reassemble it and asked for Savage's help in getting the gun back together.
    Olympic Arms had been subject to a recall order by the BATFE in 1986. Why? Because many of the guns would fire a short burst and then jam. Then it was a malfunctioning gun, but now it is a machine gun. More outcome-based procedures.
    Why was this information not presented to the court? Because the truth-challenged agents of The Gang told the court that not even the judge could see such privileged taxpayer information. Right. Unhappily, Olympic Arms did not have a copy of the order because their plant burned down in 2000.
    The judge displayed extreme prejudice during the sentencing hearing. Olofson had successfully defended himself against anti-self defense local cops who twice charged him while he was openly carrying a handgun -- something that is legal in Wisconsin! But the judge stated that anybody who carries a gun is dangerous, and he was adding to the severity of the decision because of the charges against which Olofson had prevailed!
    Never forget, the judge also denied Olofson's firearms expert access to the evidence used against him. BATFE was allowed to video tape the "test firing" of the firearm, not Olofson. The tape shown in court was only a few short seconds showing a gun at such a distance that it was not possible to tell that it was Olofson's gun.
    Had Rep. Phil Gingrey's H.R. 1791 been law, it is safe to say that Olofson would not have been convicted. Gingrey's "Fairness in Firearm Testing Act" would require an unedited video of firearms testing in criminal cases to be made available to the defense. This was a requirement imposed on The Gang by the U.S. Attorney in the U.S. vs. Glover case. When the video was reviewed by the prosecution, they dropped the case with prejudice (legal speak which means the case can never be brought up again).
    Not only is Gun Owners of America representing Olofson during his appeal, we have set up an Olofson relief fund so that his wife and mother of their three young children will be able to keep making her mortgage and car payments.
    Those interested in making a small monthly donation from a charge to their credit card can go to www.gunowners.org/olofson.htm or call GOA and arrange over the phone to have this done. All funds so collected will go toward the monthly payments, or if possible, to prepayment of the principal loan amounts. The automatic donations will cease when Olofson is out of prison or when the donor instructs GOA to discontinue them.
    It is outrageous that an innocent man is in jail, but we are hoping to minimize the ugly impact of that on his family.

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    This case has a lot going on, so it's difficult to separate the spin from the truth. None of it really makes any sense.

    According to an amicus brief field by his lawyers,

    Kiernicki noticed the selector switch on the rifle could be rotated to a third position, other than "safe" and "fire". Olofson told Kiernicki not to use the "third position" for then it would malfunction by firing a "three-round burst" and then jam up.
    The ATF tried this and, according to them, were somehow able to get it to go through 20 rounds without stopping. No one else could get past 3 or 4. The ATF also said there was not an automatic sear or bolt carrier installed. This doesn't make any sense though - what is the third position connected to? No one has yet explained how a conventional AR-15 can malfunction with a flip of the Safe/Fire switch to magically do 3-round bursts.

    Don't get me wrong, I support repealing the NFA - it's stupid and should be overturned. But rather than risking jail, maybe Olofson should have gotten that rifle fixed once he realized it was capable of short automatic bursts - regardless of the mechanism involved.
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    If it was built before they started classifying full auto parts as an NFA item then it probably was built with M16 parts. Weapons manufactured with the parts prior were exempt, however it's a catch 22. The parts can be in it but if you use soft primers it will fire full auto when the selector is in the full auto position. I'm willing to bet that is what happened.
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    I had an CAR-15 that only had the TWO positions on it and every once in a while it would spit out 2 or 3 rounds. Got the gun in a trade deal. The next day I took it to a gunsmith and had that taken care of real quick. The sear had been filed on if I remember correctly. It was over 20 years ago that happened. Still have the gun, but since it was fixed by the gunsmith it has never fired more than 1 round at a time.

    Yes, the above case smells. Typical government shady dealings. But Olofson was a fool to loan a malfunctioning gun to someone. That is plain insane.

    People need to understand the government can be really underhanded at times, at it shows in the amicus brief you mentioned. I need to look at my CAR-15 and see, but I thought the built in lever stops on the gun wouldn't let it move to anywhere but SAFE and FIRE.

    I say again, there is something fishy about the whole situation.

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    He was a fool to loan ANY gun to ANYBODY. Never ever ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Hat View Post
    If it was built before they started classifying full auto parts as an NFA item then it probably was built with M16 parts. Weapons manufactured with the parts prior were exempt, however it's a catch 22. The parts can be in it but if you use soft primers it will fire full auto when the selector is in the full auto position. I'm willing to bet that is what happened.
    This can occur on a ar with NO m16 parts. M16 parts work to utilize the auto trip they are not magic. You can put in every full auto part but without the auto trip hole drilled and the trip in place you still have a semi ( this of course is also says the weapon does not have a DIAS or lighting link both of them being sub auto trips).

    A worn sear can cause the ar to go multi or fa. A stuck firing pin can do the same.

    Also let us remember the BATF has stated in writing that a shoelace is a MG..

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    if you put in the M16 parts and the ciener 22lr unit with the weight and trip, it will sometimes fire full auto. :-)

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    and yes, any semi-auto CAN be made to be full auto, altho often not without a lot of work and modification of the parts. We call them BATFAGS and F troop for a reason, you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by titon View Post
    if you put in the M16 parts and the ciener 22lr unit with the weight and trip, it will sometimes fire full auto. :-)

    It CAN do it with ar15 parts to so I do not see the point? The m16 parts are irrelevant to fa fire unless there is a auto trip OR substitute ( lighting link or DIAS ) in place. FYI I own a factory m16 and have used the Ciener the CMMG stainless kit is MUCH better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toreskha View Post
    This case has a lot going on, so it's difficult to separate the spin from the truth. None of it really makes any sense.

    According to an amicus brief field by his lawyers,



    The ATF tried this and, according to them, were somehow able to get it to go through 20 rounds without stopping. No one else could get past 3 or 4. The ATF also said there was not an automatic sear or bolt carrier installed. This doesn't make any sense though - what is the third position connected to? No one has yet explained how a conventional AR-15 can malfunction with a flip of the Safe/Fire switch to magically do 3-round bursts.

    Don't get me wrong, I support repealing the NFA - it's stupid and should be overturned. But rather than risking jail, maybe Olofson should have gotten that rifle fixed once he realized it was capable of short automatic bursts - regardless of the mechanism involved.
    Yup this case has had so much publicity and hype until the real truth is so hidden under the hype until it will never see the light of day. When it first broke I remember reading about it on a different forum and from what I could tell Olofson is guilty without a doubt. The GAO and other groups have chosen to put a completely different spin on the case. The fact is that now the actual truth is completely covered in bovine excrement.

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