1st Homocide of 09 Prediction

[tattedupboy]

On the opposite end of the spectrum, look at NYC. While its 521 murders through Dec 30 seem high, the murder rate is one of America's lowest among big cities. So, the stats work both ways; Draconian gun control measures don't raise or lower homicide rates, but neither does a lack of gun control.

[maybejim]

"Gun control" has never been shown to reduce crime or violence. Crime and violence does tend to go down when more law abiding citizens are carrying concealed, confrontational crime in particular.

[{TEX}Hawaii((]

Looks like the 1st one was in NJ or maybe Ohio...but the time zone thing comes into play. If you google "1st homicide of 2009" you will see there were several in the early morning hours all over the USA.

Cleveland Ohio = 12:30 AM
Newark, NJ = 3:00 AM
Louiville, KY = 7:00 AM
Chicago, IL = 2:10 AM

2009 Murder: Cleveland Police Investigate First Murder Of New Year

2009 Murder: Cleveland Police Investigate First Murder Of New Year

Posted: Jan 1, 2009 09:56 AM EST

Updated: Jan 1, 2009 12:38 PM EST


Cleveland, OH - Police are investigating the first murder of 2009.

The deadly shooting happened around 12:30AM near the intersection of East 71st Street & Alice Avenue outside Malibu Joe's.

The victim is a 26-year-old man - identification is pending family notification.

The coroner says he was shot in the head.

No arrests at this time.

[surfcc]

Looks like the 1st one was in NJ or maybe Ohio...but the time zone thing comes into play. If you google "1st homicide of 2009" you will see there were several in the early morning hours all over the USA.

Cleveland Ohio = 12:30 AM
Newark, NJ = 3:00 AM
Louiville, KY = 7:00 AM
Chicago, IL = 2:10 AM

2009 Murder: Cleveland Police Investigate First Murder Of New Year

I guess Cleveland gets the title for 2009. A few years ago Boston rang in the New Year with a quadrupple shooting in a Dorchester home.

[tattedupboy]

"Gun control" has never been shown to reduce crime or violence. Crime and violence does tend to go down when more law abiding citizens are carrying concealed, confrontational crime in particular.

You're right; however, CCW by itself doesn't either. Look at the dramatic decrease in the murder and crime rate in NYC over the past decade and a half (with its draconian gun control measures) and look at the high rates of crime in Detroit, Philadelphia, and Atlanta, all of which are located in shall issue states.

[HK4U]

You're right; however, CCW by itself doesn't either. Look at the dramatic decrease in the murder and crime rate in NYC over the past decade and a half (with its draconian gun control measures) and look at the high rates of crime in Detroit, Philadelphia, and Atlanta, all of which are located in shall issue states.

However when a law abiding citizen carrying a firearm pulls the trigger on a bad guy trying to do harm to him, his family or third party it greatly reduces the odds that criminal will ever commit another crime.

[maybejim]

however, CCW by itself doesn't either.

Actually it does. Look at either of the John Lott books for the statistics. Certainly confrontational crime goes down in virtually every case. He compared before and after statistics.

Look at the dramatic decrease in the murder and crime rate in NYC

Funny how putting criminals in jail cuts crime. What happened in NYC from what I understand was a crackdown on "minor" crime (that had been largely ignored before) and that resulted in a reduction in "major" crime.

and look at the high rates of crime in Detroit, Philadelphia, and Atlanta, all of which are located in shall issue states.

As has been mentioned before neither Detroit nor Philadelphia are gun friendly. The only defining statistic that would mean much would be looking at numbers before "shall issue" and after "shall issue" not just the after numbers. Concealed Carry doesn't affect the number of criminals in an area but does seem to affect the kind of crime they engage in with confrontational crime going down.

[surfcc]

The common denominator in all major metropolitain areas is illegally obtained firearms, drugs, gangs, liberal politicians, city councilors, etc. and you have a toxic mix. Sure these things exist in rural areas....just more concentrated in cities due to demographics. Irregardless of whether a state is more or less strict on 2A rights, criminals don't obey laws, which is why you get more gun crime in the cities.

[toreskha]

I think we're a prime candidate for the dubious distinction of at least #2.

Jacksonville's first homicide of 2009 happened at an apartment complex near the University of North Florida just after the new year was rung in.

Police responded at 1:18 a.m. to calls of shots fired at the Silver Springs apartment complex in the 3700 block of South St. Johns Bluff Road, according to Sgt. Derrick Lewis with the homicide unit of the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office.

Lewis said police found 23-year-old Jeffery Raynal Brooks of the 10900 block of Lem Turner Road suffering from multiple gunshot wounds. Police said Brooks was taken to a hospital.