Ammo Shortage ?

[Bohemian]

Yes, we are ALL entitled to our opinions. That said, we don't need a flame war. We don't need labels. They are so very inaccurate. We certainly don't need put-downs. I didn't put you down and I don't appreciate your attempts. Labels and put-down are how flame wars begin. Stick to the subject. Being disrespectful does nothing to assist the points you maintain, it merely shows opinion, sometimes ignorance.

Your reasoning is circular, therefore flawed. I'll agree to disagree, especially when it's clear that you understood exactly and absolutely NOTHING that I wrote. *sigh* That's life. Oh, well. *shaking head and walking away*

The only thing flawed is your fatuous attempts to somehow justify buying Foreign vs. American as being synonymous...

The only thing we agree on is to disagree...

Nuff Said...

[utimmer43]

I didn't really want to stray any further off topic than we already have but...

Before we start ripping free trade, let's realize that our tax structure is so much more responsible for our U.S. auto mfg. jobs going to Mexico and Canada than NAFTA. The same is true for pretty much all of our mfg. jobs that are going overseas. Let's not quell free trade, let's just truly make it free. Let's also realize how much damage the unions have done to their own industry. I'll never fault someone for buying foreign if foreign is superior in quality vs. cost. Unions continue to demand higher than market value wages and we tax the hell out of our domestic companies, then wonder why we can't compete with non-union foreign makers. Then, instead of letting them fail and learn from it, we go and bail them out. Sorry, but I just will not buy American for buying American's sake when the American option sucks.

I, too, don't like many aspects of free trade agreements. I don't think Clinton did well by us, especially allowing truckers/big rigs into the lower California areas, tearing up the freeways without monetary compensation of licensing and taxation fees with which to fix them, and driving erratically and dangerously!

I'd just like to point out that all the rules are the same for Mexican trucks, including the taxes. Each truck is taxed based on the volume of fuel burned in each state (calculated using the fleets fuel economy and the miles traveled in each state by each individual truck). So, the tax collected is directly proportional to how many miles are logged in the state, regardless of the origin of the truck. Also, while in the US, Mexican (and Canadian) drivers are subject to the same hours of service regulations as US drivers. As far as driving erratically and dangerously, please. Come over here to the northeast to see erratic drivers, most of which are American citizens. Point being, bad drivers come in all shapes and sizes. Proportionally, I doubt there are many more dangerous Mexican drivers than US drivers.

[JJFlash]

No problem here in ND. Course, no one even knows that people live here. Kinda nice, actually.

[Bohemian]

I didn't really want to stray any further off topic than we already have but...

Before we start ripping free trade, let's realize that our tax structure is so much more responsible for our U.S. auto mfg. jobs going to Mexico and Canada than NAFTA. The same is true for pretty much all of our mfg. jobs that are going overseas. Let's not quell free trade, let's just truly make it free. Let's also realize how much damage the unions have done to their own industry. I'll never fault someone for buying foreign if foreign is superior in quality vs. cost. Unions continue to demand higher than market value wages and we tax the hell out of our domestic companies, then wonder why we can't compete with non-union foreign makers. Then, instead of letting them fail and learn from it, we go and bail them out. Sorry, but I just will not buy American for buying American's sake when the American option sucks.

I'd just like to point out that all the rules are the same for Mexican trucks, including the taxes. Each truck is taxed based on the volume of fuel burned in each state (calculated using the fleets fuel economy and the miles traveled in each state by each individual truck). So, the tax collected is directly proportional to how many miles are logged in the state, regardless of the origin of the truck. Also, while in the US, Mexican (and Canadian) drivers are subject to the same hours of service regulations as US drivers. As far as driving erratically and dangerously, please. Come over here to the northeast to see erratic drivers, most of which are American citizens. Point being, bad drivers come in all shapes and sizes. Proportionally, I doubt there are many more dangerous Mexican drivers than US drivers.

I would think that G.M. and the others whom took advantage of the Free Trade Agreements found that paying somebody 90 cents a day and no benefits vs. $20.00 and hour plus benefits, and deregulation, c-ya to the Unions, closing 11 plants and opening 3 Foreign to replace the closed 11 U.S. to be more compelling than avoiding 21% embedded taxes before putting a price tag on a new vehicle here in the U.S....

Yes our tax structure is atrocious, Unconstitutional and we need to implement the "Fair Tax Act" Americans For Fair Taxation: Americans For Fair Taxation

But in my view ALL the Free Trade Agreements have to go away period...

The only ones whom have benefited thus far are the Foreign based companies whom pay little or no tax on what they import here vs. what we import there, and the bazillion G.M. & other Vice Presidents that hosed us...

I will continue to not put one nickle in a non-U.S. pocket IF there is an American Alternative, even if I have to pay more...
Or its of lesser quality... (they will get the riot act if it is and be forced to make it better)
Its a matter of principal with me...

Buy American, give a Soldier coming home something to come home to...

Bring Back American Pride...

[BigSlick]

I would think that G.M. and the others whom took advantage of the Free Trade Agreements found that paying somebody 90 cents a day and no benefits vs. $20.00 and hour plus benefits, and deregulation, c-ya to the Unions, closing 11 plants and opening 3 Foreign to replace the closed 11 U.S. to be more compelling than avoiding 21% embedded taxes before putting a price tag on a new vehicle here in the U.S....

Yes our tax structure is atrocious, Unconstitutional and we need to implement the "Fair Tax Act" Americans For Fair Taxation: Americans For Fair Taxation

But in my view ALL the Free Trade Agreements have to go away period...

The only ones whom have benefited thus far are the Foreign based companies whom pay little or no tax on what they import here vs. what we import there, and the bazillion G.M. & other Vice Presidents that hosed us...

I will continue to not put one nickle in a non-U.S. pocket IF there is an American Alternative, even if I have to pay more...
Or its of lesser quality... (they will get the riot act if it is and be forced to make it better)
Its a matter of principal with me...

Buy American, give a Soldier coming home something to come home to...

Bring Back American Pride...

+1 Bohemian I agree with everything you have said. Free trade is not Free. These "agreements" need to go away and soon. It's treason if you ask me.

[rock919]

I had a problem getting 9mm Ammo. Go on the internet and Check out Bass Pro and Cabelas. Hope this helps.

[Glockster]

WTF! I've been lurking around here for a long time, good info until people imposing their will to buy american cars as if they buy everything american. This is the typical rant of my neighbor who works at a Chevy. Just need to look at all the weapons, plasma tv and blu-ray, how about their seiko watch and so on - all bought from foreign countries, it's amazing they believe they haven't put anybody out of work in the good ole U.S.A. At least he drives a Chevy while promoting his mantra - it's so pathetic because when asked about everything he buys, he calls them small purchases, not like it's a big ticket item. We're in a global economy, get used to it. I will buy the best product for my hard earned money as I'm sure most do. Nuff said.

BTW, thanks Rock919, I haven't used Cabela's or Bass Pro in a while. I'll check them out.

[HK4U]

My primary carry gun is German (HK) I also own Sigs, Glock, Walther, and Beretta. I do have a couple of revolvers that are American. Colt, and Smith. My camera is Japanese. T.V. not sure but not American. I do not think there is an American t.v. anymore. Our cars are Ford and Dodge but I would bet that a lot of the parts on them came from Japan. When I have a choice between American and foreign if what I am buying the American product is comparably in quality I will try and buy American but the problem much of the time is finding what I am looking for that is American.

[Bohemian]

Am I the only one when hearing the statement "Global Economy" thinks Socialism, Marxism, Communism?
Obama plan ships dollars overseas ? by the billions
Kind of goes hand in hand with the rest of the U.N.'s and Obama & Company's Global Poverty & Global Gun Ban Agenda...


There are only TWO ECONOMY'S that matters to me; the AMERICAN ECONOMY AND MY FAMILIES...

The Stinking Free Trade Agreements only came to fruition beginning in 1981...

Ross Perot warned us when he urged voters to listen for the "giant sucking sound" of American jobs heading south to Mexico should NAFTA or other stinking Free Trade Agreements be ratified...

"US farmers & ranchers will lose out to Mexico & Canada.
NAFTA’s beneficiaries: US companies that move to Mexico.
US is becoming a nation of hamburger flippers.
Jobs lost to NAFTA are not replaced at same pay.
Mexican unions are beholden to one-party government." - Ross Perot

"NAFTA is backdoor deregulation; lowers FDA standards." - Ross Perot

"NAFTA allows prison-made Chinese textiles into US via Mexico."

How many 1968 Toyota's do you see on the road vs. 1968 Ford, Chevy's etc?

IF I can buy American, I buy American regardless of what it is...

Buy American, give a Soldier coming home, something to come home to...



WTFU Sheeple, take back the Republic...

YouTube - NAFTA: Ross Perot and Al Gore Debate 1993

See the link to the chart for the results of trade with Mexico. The year NAFTA was ratified, America had a $1 billion trade surplus with Mexico. By 1995, America had a $16 billion trade deficit with Mexico. in 2008, America's trade deficit with Mexico was $74 billion. The facts in the chart make President Clinton, Vice President Gore and all the newspaper editors who wrote editorials supporting NAFTA look like complete idiots or worse. Ross Perot was absolutely right even though he was not effective in the debate. Again, no matter what your views are on NAFTA, the chart (link below) speaks for itself.

Also, this video is significant because it documents how NAFTA was sold to America by its elected leaders. In hindsight, some of the most ridiculous statements I heard from the debate was from Vice President Al Gore:

1) "They [GM] have started to move jobs back from Mexico to the United States."
2) "If he [Ross Perot] is right, then you give six months notice and you're out of it [NAFTA]."

Lessons learned: Any time your government tries to sell you on a free trade deal with another country that has disparate living and environmental standards, don't believe it. President Bill Clinton also made similar claims about free trade with Communist China when he signed a free trade agreement with that country in 1999. Today, the US has lost countless jobs to Communist China and suffers a staggering and unsustainable $250 billion annual trade deficit with that country.

Commentary - Losing Our Independence:
Losing Our Independence

Chart: 20 Years of Trade With Mexico. Note how the US trade surplus with Mexico turned into large deficits soon after NAFTA was ratified in 1993.



Video shared here under "Fair Use Section 107" for educational and discussion purposes only.

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This is my last post in this thread on this subject, I originally responded to a off-topic post that is taking this thread over, I will post a separate thread dedicated to debate on the stinking free trade agreements, in the politics section, I encourage others wishing to debate this issue further to do so there...
New Thread Here...
Do You Support Or Oppose Free Trade Agreements?

[Confess]

I've purchased 2 Kimbers and a S&W this year. Yay America! And I haven't had problems finding ammo for any of them really. I've paid a little more than expected but I've still been able to get it.

Went to the Gun and Knife show this past weekend and saw a good amount of ammo at higher prices than I can find elsewhere so Take from that what you can get.