Man Shoots 16-Year-Old Mugger

[Jay]

Your proficiency is to be applauded.......

If someone is standing at my truck window, pointing a gun in my face

But simple situational awareness will avoid someone at your truck window pointing a gun at you.

[matthewaynelson]

FBI statistics compiled from over a century of record keeping suggests that most fights resulting in a justified homicide typically come down to three, three, and three ∷ three shots in three seconds at about three feet away.

I don’t know… hope I never have to find out. BUT, three shots, four… five… the whole mag… WHATEVER, the key is to have done due diligence in training for the fight. Know your game plan by heart, and be prepared for multiple scenarios. Be able to draw, shoot and eliminate the threat (or threats) in short order.

Check out the following image...



This is the signature image for S&WM&P40… it illustrates the sorts of scenarios you need to practice and be prepared for!

And, by the way... mentally preparing for "after the engagement" is just as important. Being able to compose yourself following the adrenaline dump that results from a firefight will be crucial to your ability to gather the details needed to provide emergency responders an accurate picture of what transpired. LEO’s will be using your statements and the information you provide as a basis for determining whether your actions were justified… as well as any others who witnessed the action. So, you'll need to be able to communicate the perceived threat, and that your ONLY desire was to STOP the threat with clarity!

Good and thorough training will give you the advantage—as the image above demonstrates, the bg’s are taken by surprise when their intended victim suddenly responds with fluidity (I know, it’s staged and this example is not really real!). BUT, the point is… you can be prepared to react with the speed and accuracy of a rattle snake!

Training is KEY!

[Piece Corps]

So as not to go back 3 pages:

Elliott Firby was driving home from his overnight job at the post office when he saw a pick up truck get behind him. When Firby began to unlock his front gate, the truck stopped at his house.

"A guy jumps out of the passenger side with a pump shotgun, tells me to 'give it up sir, give it up sir'. I immediately reached for my weapon in my pocket and did what I had to do to keep from being killed," Firby said.

Firby pulled out a handgun and shot the armed mugger in the stomach. The would-be mugger hobbled back in the truck and drove off, and Firby called 911. Police later found the 16-year-old suspect in the hospital emergency room. They say Firby did the right thing.

So the guy had no situational awareness. Let's just say that, had it been ME, it never would have happened. Putting that aside, HE shot the guy ONCE in the stomach, and we will assume that said shotgun-weilding perp had the good health to "hobble" away, maybe still armed. Was this a good thing?

In HIS situation, would I have allowed the perp to "hobble" away? The guy is holding a pump shotgun vs my little pistol. Why not shoot the shotgun out of his hands and tell him to go on home like a good boy?

Honestly now, how many of you out there would shoot the guy once - ONE TIME - and then call 9-1-1 as he "hobbled" away? Like Redhat and HK4U opined, you remove the threat. With one shot? Obviously, that didn't do the trick - the perp was still ambulatory and probably still armed. I doubt any LEO is going to fault someone for shooting more than once and letting the paramedics take him to the hospital.

[Jay]

It might be interesting to hear the explanation to law enforcement as to how a perp constituted a threat as he hobbled away, so you shot him in the back. ???

Contentions of "self defense" and entry wounds in the back do not go together... . ask your local prosecutor.

[Jay]

It might be interesting to hear the explanation to law enforcement as to how a perp constituted a threat as he hobbled away, so you shot him in the back. ???

Contentions of "self defense" and entry wounds in the back do not go together... . ask your local prosecutor.



...edit..... really, I'm not trying to pick a fight, or be disrespectful to anyone. I fully support shooting until the threat stops. HOWEVER, once the threat stops, I feel that my legal recourse to deadly force stops. If the perp goes down, OR if the perp GOES AWAY, the shooting should stop.

I'm an old fart, and have been where you folks are talking about. Think hard before you let emotion override judgement........

[Piece Corps]

Did I ever say anything about shooting him in the back? Unless someone is carrying a single-shot derringer, it will be quite easy to squeeze off 3-4 shots into the CHEST AREA of the perp before he even had a chance to trun around and hobble off.

I would think that if he's walking and armed, he's still a threat. But I certainly would not shoot him in the back.

[Comp_sH00tEr24]

Originally Posted by Piece Corps

Did I ever say anything about shooting him in the back? Unless someone is carrying a single-shot derringer, it will be quite easy to squeeze off 3-4 shots into the CHEST AREA of the perp before he even had a chance to trun around and hobble off.

I would think that if he's walking and armed, he's still a threat. But I certainly would not shoot him in the back.

Im gonna chime in here: I agree with Jay, If the threat is hobbling away it is no longer a threat. You should continue to assess the situation by making sure the threat or threats have ceased to be threats, but shooting a former threat that is now going away will probably land you in jail.

Now, you may be able to put 3-4 rounds into the guy before he blinks, but you really wont know unless it actually happens to you. The guy in this scenario might not have been as skilled with his handgun (many people who carry think as long as they have a gun they are set...not true of course) as many of us. However, he did the right thing and shot until the threat was no longer a threat.

And saying he should have shot the shotgun out of his hands is, IMO, ridiculous. with the adrenaline pumping you would be lucky to put your shots within 4 inches of where you're "aiming" let alone hit a target such as a shotgun in the proper position that it would knock it out of the threats hands, not gonna happen, sorry.

[Jay]

I would think that if he's walking and armed, he's still a threat.

No sir, that may NOT be the case. If he's not walking toward you, or does not have a weapon that places you at risk (pointed at you ), HE IS NOT A THREAT.

[tattedupboy]

I wonder what the mugger's family's reaction is. They're probably saying what a monster the shooter is and what a choir boy he is.

[festus]

mugger approaches armed and with intent
mugger gets shot
mugger is old enough to be tried as an adult
mugger ends up as bubba's bitch in the prison yard