Saiga Sporter 16 inch .308 Value?

[Red Hat]

The way the laws are it's probably illegal to have them if you don't have a 922R compliant firearm around. I'd just change enough simple items to make it compliant and use them.

[vn6869]

RedHat
I may be confused, but by putting on the pistol grip would seem to make the firearm LESS compliant. The intent of 922R was to make the conversion to a NON-importable firearm illegal. The reason the Saiga does not have a pistol grip is to make it to meet the compliance.

Do they make >25 rd mags for the Saiga 308???
I know the 30 round so-called Saiga mags don't work.

[NDS]

RedHat
I may be confused, but by putting on the pistol grip would seem to make the firearm LESS compliant. The intent of 922R was to make the conversion to a NON-importable firearm illegal. The reason the Saiga does not have a pistol grip is to make it to meet the compliance.

Like most gun laws the 922r BS makes no sense. It's a stupid 'count the US vs. non-US parts' scam. Here's a link that might help:

Saiga Conversion

Do they make >25 rd mags for the Saiga 308???
I know the 30 round so-called Saiga mags don't work.

There are 20 and 25 round mags for the .308, I've never seen a 30. Mine works fine with the Sure Fire mags (I've never been able to acquire any of the FBMG mags, but I've heard they are better). I consider the 25s too long, so I use 20s.

[utimmer43]

RedHat
I may be confused, but by putting on the pistol grip would seem to make the firearm LESS compliant. The intent of 922R was to make the conversion to a NON-importable firearm illegal. The reason the Saiga does not have a pistol grip is to make it to meet the compliance...

Here's an explanation that hopefully will make sense. I am going to use the Saiga 12 shotgun because that is what I have and what I looked up. The same rules apply to the rifles.

The Saiga 12 comes standard with 14 (13 if you don't have a threaded muzzle/ thread protector) of the components on "the list". Since it comes in a "sporting" configuration, it does not fall under the 922r rules.

By adding a pistol grip, or by attaching a magazine greater than 5 round capacity (10 for rifles), it is no longer in a "sporting" configuration. At this point, you must have no more than 10 imported parts from "the list". So, what I have done is removed the factory stock and replaced it with a Tapco T6 Intrafuse pistol grip/ telescopic stock. I also got rid of the factory mag (counts as 3 parts) and purchased a couple Pro-Mag 10 round mags. (Side note: don't be cheap like I was. Pro-Mag sucks, get Surefire)

By getting rid of the foreign made stock and mag, I have removed 4 imported components, thereby taking my total down to 10.

I forget how many parts the rifles start out with, (16 rings a bell??) so you might have to swap out a few more parts than I did with the shotty.

I'll agree, it is a stupid rule and completely defies logic, but that is basically how it works.

[utimmer43]

Here is a nice thread on the Saiga Forum regarding 922r compliance.

I was wrong, there are only 14 parts on the Saiga rifles. So you would be able to do the same thing I did and be compliant.

Also note, the older Surefire mags that are metal use foreign made parts and are therefore NOT COMPLIANT.

[X] That thread I linked to is really only worth the first post. The rest of the comments are a bunch of people who are way overthinking it and confusing themselves.

[Red Hat]

Like said above it make no sense. You spend a little money and change a few parts and it's legal. It doesn't change the function just a bureaucrat requirement. Typical ATF BS...

[vn6869]

OH, I GET IT - this is just like taking the bayonets off the SKS's.

It made them soooo much safer

[douglasgdean]

I'm on the verge of making a purchase. I really enjoyed and learned a lot from the posts here.

Other than the price issue: Does anyone have an opinion they'd like to share of the vices/virtues of the Saiga vs. the AR10? Performance? Drawbacks? Advantages? Aftermarket accessories? Just whatever comes to mind.

Thanks everybody!
Dugger

[vn6869]

The Saiga will be harder to get accessories for. But that depends on what accessories you want of course.
But IMHO the gas system of the Saiga is the better.

[Red Hat]

I'd go with the AR10 over the Saiga. You can't beat anything on an AR platform. I'm in the market for one myself. If I see one at the next Gun Show at a good price I'm going to buy it . I like my Saiga but not as much as an AR10!