Cops shoot home owner not intruder.

[AZSATT]

Originally Posted by jamie

Thats why you shoot the intruder first , then sit down and pick up the phone and call the police

+1 with this train of thought. So much simpler AND more effective.

Fortunately for the homeowners, those RO's were bad shots.

[doming83]

yeah the guy didn't have the hart to shoot the bad guy so he gets shoot for holding the criminal at gun point.

I also agree with you jamie shot em then get help.

[rlinger@yahoo.com]

Should we handcuff intruders and then put our guns away before the PD arrives?

[Ektarr]

And here I was told that the Police and Military are the only one's with the training and competency to have firearms! I guess opinions vary . . .

[JJFlash]

"Shoot the intruder first and then call police" - Man, I gotta say ya'll got a cavalier attitude about shooting someone. Without knowing the particulars in this case, my assumption is the homeowner got the BG to obey his order. So, you guys are telling me that even tho the BG freezes at the sight of your gun, drops whatever weapon he might have (the threat therefore is stopped) that you'd just go ahead and shoot him? Ok, I gotta ask: how many of you have shot someone? Cause I'm not buying this line of bulls#it...

I'm assuming ya'll are yanking my chain...

[mbass]

Originally Posted by rlinger@yahoo.com

Should we handcuff intruders and then put our guns away before the PD arrives?

Not a bad idea; unless, of course, the cops arrive and arrest you for kidnapping!!

[surfcc]

off topic.....but looks you all are getting some snow up ND tonight?

[JJFlash]

Originally Posted by surfcc

off topic.....but looks you all are getting some snow up ND tonight?

Been flurries off and on all day. Haven't heard there is going to be any accumulation, but haven't heard the most recent weather reports, either, and it can change fast. We went from highs in the 80s to highs in the 30s in about 10 days. Can't hardly let myself start thinking about winter now or I'll be a nutcase by next May.

We all stop carrying here about late March until early-June because the Seasonal Affective Disorder we all suffer from by then makes it entirely probable that we'll all have our weapons out and be blazing away at each other in the streets.

Cheers!

[TnRebel]

That's what I love about Florida , with their castle doctrine , after breaking the window and having a gun , blow the scum away unload the gun and lay it down and then call the police. Set down pour your self a drink and light a cigar.

[AZSATT]

Handcuffing is a bad idea on many levels, despite how tempting it may seem in a scenario like this homeowner from PHX experienced.

First, one of the cardinal rules in law enforcement is to never have two tools in your hands at the same time. (Flash light doesn't count.) Any one who saw the video of the LEO who shot & killed 22 year old Foster Grant by an Oakland, CA train on New Years saw a violation of this cardinal rule. Grant is dead, and the LEO's life and career are over. (Charged with homicide and going to prison as LEO... no thanks.) I'm not saying you WOULD shoot someone unintentionally while cuffing, but it's a cardinal rule for a reason. (Sympathetic muscle reflex - same reason you stay off your trigger until you're on target.)

If you're the homeowner in a scenario remotely similar to the one that started this thread, you would HAVE to use both a gun as a defensive/covering tool and try to handcuff your BG by yourself. Highly unenviable task, even for the pro who has mastered speed 'cuffing. Even if the BG is 'cooperative.' If he's not, and he's struggling to resist your cuffs and YOU... forget cuffs, man.

Second, if you have to set your gun down to effectively handcuff your BG, he may instantly decide to NOT be so cooperative and repentant once he realizes you removed your own advantage.

Third, while most states that have castle doctrine will lawfully permit you to dispatch this home invander into eternity, many states are not so tolerant of citizens handcuffing other citizens - even criminals. Would you get charged for it? Who knows, in this day and age. BUT - say you DO handcuff the dirtbag and the RO's show up and take him away and you're the hero of the block... until the dirtbag SUES YOU for injuries sustained from your improper/untrained handcuffing technique that resulted in dibilitating injuries to his hands/wrists. Now what? Hire a civil lawyer to defend your use of 'cuffs? Screw that.

Something to think about in home defense planning. Don't make a bad and dangerous situation worse. Leave the 'cuffs in the bedroom.