Ammo Bill Hits Georgia

{TEX}Hawaii(( · #11 12-24-2008, 09:22 PM

Yep. I am hoping this one does not get passes otherwise I will have to shoot all my ammo at the range before the law takes effect.

Glock Fan · #12 12-24-2008, 11:41 PM

We were able to get a similar bill here in PRHI killed. The guy who introduced it is no longer in office. I doubt that it will be revived this session. I'm sure that the people of GA will be able to defeat the measure. It's a really silly concept. Too many variables to make it a viable piece of legislation. One of the key points I used when talking to legislators was that it's very difficult to place a serial number on #7.5 bird shot. When they asked what I was talking about, I showed them a sample of said bird shot and the stats of the Taurus Judge in my Taurus catalog. Sad part was that there was a large number of people testifying against the measure, including the Honolulu Police Chief. Only testimony in favor was from a representative of the manufacturer of the device.

It amazes me what people will do to make a buck.

gf

Jay · #13 12-25-2008, 09:14 AM

Encoded ammunition is an attempt by a west coast company to make big bucks at gun owners expense. A similar bill Introduced in Indiana never made it out of committee....... This is from an internet blog..... not mine...

Ammunition Coding System (Ammo Coding :: About Us) was established by three Seattle entrepeneurs to market a technology that would identify any bullet fired from any gun. It involves etching an identifying code onto the base of the bullet, so that after it's recovered from a crime scene, the code can be read by forensic detectives. Their idea is that every box of ammunition sold in the USA would be registered to the purchaser by means of this code, and the fired bullet could thus be linked to the person who bought it. ACS claims that this would be a valuable crime-fighting tool.

Now comes the interesting bit. The founders of ACS have patented their technology, but they can't seem to get any ammunition manufacturers to implement it, apparently because of the costs involved. They've therefore come up with what I consider an underhanded, devious scheme to force the use of their patent, and foist the costs involved onto us - the bullet-buying public.

They've formed an organization called Ammunition Accountability. This organization is nothing more or less than a front for ACS and its founders. It's trying to promote ACS's technology, and is sponsoring legislation in as many States as it can manage, trying to mandate the use of that technology on ammunition sold in those States. So far, no State has passed any law to that effect: but efforts to do so are under way in Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee and Washington. If your State isn't listed, don't worry: it'll be coming your way soon!

Key points of their proposed legislation (taken from their Web site) are:
· All handgun and assault weapon ammunition manufactured or sold in the state after a given date must be coded by the manufacturer. Furthermore, not later than a subsequent date, usually no more than two years after the adoption of the coding requirement, all non-coded ammunition in the possession of businesses or private individuals must be disposed of. (There goes your ammo stash, friends.)
· The State concerned would have to designate or establish an agency to keep track of ammunition sales, and all ammo vendors would have to register with that agency, log the identity of any and every purchaser of ammunition, and supply those details to the agency.
· All costs involved would be funded by a levy on the price of ammunition. Their sample legislation gives a proposed figure of $0.005 per round of ammunition. That translates to one-tenth of a cent on a box of 20 rounds, or one-quarter of a cent on a box of 50 rounds.

That levy sounds minor, doesn't it? Suuurre . . . but when you get to crunching the numbers, things start to look rather more rosy for ACS. Current figures are hard to come by, but in 1992, according to an ACS press release, "approximately 5.4 billion bullets were sold in the US alone." (I understand this excludes military and export sales.) At a rate of $0.005 per bullet, the revenues from sales of such ammunition - if it were coded - would amount to about $27,000,000. The actual figure might well be considerably higher, for two reasons. First, ammo sales have risen since 1992, although I don't know the exact numbers. Second, if you think that ammo manufacturers or retailers are going to bother to put a $0.005 charge per bullet on their books, think again! They'll probably add a dollar or two to the price of each box of ammo, and blame it on the bullet coding costs, while pocketing the extra profit.

So, if we take that 1992 figure of 5.4 billion bullets, and package them into boxes, we'll get a better picture. I'm informed that about two-thirds of retail ammo sales are in 20-round boxes, and one-third in 50-round boxes. If that's the case, applying it to the total number of bullets sold in 1992 gives us sales of about 180 million 20-round boxes, and about 36 million 50-round boxes, or 216 million boxes of ammo in total. If the manufacturers and retailers slap on an extra dollar per box, which I think is very likely, that's $216,000,000 more that you and I will be paying for ammo. How much of it will end up in ACS's pocket is anyone's guess.

We'd also be saddled with another State bureaucracy, gathering information about us. What's the bet that it'll cost more than the ammo levies bring in? And who makes up the shortfall? That's right - you and I, the taxpayers. What about the effect on our privacy? Do you want your personal details recorded every time you buy a box of .22 ammo for plinking? Darned if I do . . .

There you have it. A company wants to impose greater costs, greater State-level government bureaucracy, and an intrusive, privacy-invading tracking system on us, solely for the sake of its own profit. Safety be damned! I'll wager these guys aren't remotely interested in safety. They can hear the ka-Ching! of cash registers, and their mouths are watering. In essence, they're trying to persuade our State legislators to force us to make them rich.

I urge all everyone to watch for proposals for similar legislation in their States. If you see something like this rear its ugly head, I urge you to write to your State legislators, pointing out the drawbacks to this scheme, and questioning whether the State should legally allow one company to enrich itself at the expense of your State's already hard-pressed taxpayers. This needs to be exposed for the money-grab that it is, and resisted at every step. If we don't, we'll be paying a lot more, and our already-threadbare right to privacy will be even further damaged.

I'd be grateful if you'd please publicize this issue yourselves, either by posting a link to this article on your blogs, or writing your own. I've included links to the main Web sites concerned, so you can research the subject for yourselves. Let's make sure that all our shooting readers are aware of this threat, and mobilized to oppose it.

tattedupboy · #14 12-25-2008, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CA CCWInstructor

California already has it. Effective 2010. The nice thing is the law says the technology must be unencumbered, it's not. One company holds the patent, they are not releasing it. So our ammo is fine.

My message to you is to move, and move quickly. You're right next to NV, so why don't you move there, where you don't have to worry about such ridiculousness?

jmcrooks · #15 01-03-2009, 06:15 PM

How would something like this effect home loading of ammo?

gdcleanfun · #16 01-03-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jmcrooks

How would something like this effect home loading of ammo?

I surely would not want to reload anything that could be linked back to a crime! How dreadful! Not to mention that it would give me the icky-willies just at the thought of it!

ragsflh · #17 01-03-2009, 09:05 PM

sounds more like greed.but don't let are guard down.some will like it

jmcrooks · #18 01-03-2009, 10:42 PM

I was not talking about reloading to sell to others. I was asking how would it effect getting supplies to reload for personel uses.

ronwill · #19 01-04-2009, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jmcrooks

I was not talking about reloading to sell to others. I was asking how would it effect getting supplies to reload for personel uses.

I wonder some about that myself. Because "all non-coded handgun ammunition" must be used or destroyed by the cut off date. Does this mean that loaders for handgun ammunition will have to have an coding system? The wording makes that a possible requirement, as shown:

16-11-191.
(a) On and after January 1, 2010, all handgun ammunition manufactured in this state, sold or offered for sale in this state, imported into this state for sale or personal use, kept for sale in this state, or given, lent, or possessed in this state shall be coded by the manufacturer of the ammunition in accordance with the rules and regulations of the department.
(b) Not later than January 1, 2012, all noncoded handgun ammunition, whether owned by private citizens or commercial entities, shall be disposed of in accordance with the rules and regulations of the department.