CHL Class Instructor attitude

[jethrodull]

So I'm in the CHL class in Tx and had prepared ahead of time by reading up on the CHL laws that I could find, wanting to be prepared. The instructor, who is a LEO, starts talking about the laws. Specifically, he talks about the notify law, where you have to hand your CHL along with DL when ask for ID. He says, "whenever you are asked for DL, give your CHL". I say, "isn't that only if you are carrying?" He says, "What, are you Perry Mason?". I felt like saying, but didn't, "what, are you teaching your opinion, or the law?"

How come he found it necessary to belittle someone in the class? Isn't it his job to teach the law and not his opinion?
J

[BulletTrainingLtd]

Your (innocent) question probably "challenged" him based on how it was asked or stated. To save face he quipped back. Your question may have been answered in his next sentence but we will never know due to having a one sided story. Way too little info.

[Chris Reitsma]

I am A TX CHL instructor and I tell my students that the law says to notify only if you are carrying but out of respect I would tell them your a CHL holder even if you are not carrying because it will come up when he runs your drivers license. Now the funny thing is that even if you are carrying and you fail to tell him or show your CHL he can't do a damn thing because there is NO PENALTY for failing to notify.

[rudiepop]

He should teach both. If he is an LEO he should teach you what the law says and teach you from his own experience. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it is smart to inform LEO's of the concealed permit before they run a check on you and find out for themselves. It doesn't matter if you are carrying or not. If you have the permit, it doesn't make sense to NOT carry. That is how LEO's see it from my experience. He had no call to be a butthole. But the buttholes are the ones that will make an issue out of it if not informed.

[KCD1974]

I wouldn't take a class taught by a LEO...problem solved....lol

[Glock Fan]

Being that he's a LEO, I'd strongly take his "opinion" under consideration. Many states don't "require" notification, however doing so will usually save you a lot of trouble and grief. I've had numerous LEO encounters while carrying, and have NEVER gotten into any more trouble by presenting my CC permit/license along with my driver's license.

It is important to have an open mind while attending any firearms related classes. Doing so will result in you being able to learn a lot more than you might otherwise expect. Having been an instructor for many years, I still learn whenever I take a class or help others teach a class.

[SGB]

Just imagine what his attitude is when he's on the street in Uniform.

[Knourek]

I think anyone wanting a CCW will need to have thicker skin. I don't see the offence in the instructors question, in fact you may want to see it as a compliment.

You made a good point when asking, and a follow up to his remark from you may have proved useful in showing his meaning of the ''are you a lawyer'' comment.

BK.

[Rich_S]

So I'm in the CHL class in Tx and had prepared ahead of time by reading up on the CHL laws that I could find, wanting to be prepared. The instructor, who is a LEO, starts talking about the laws. Specifically, he talks about the notify law, where you have to hand your CHL along with DL when ask for ID. He says, "whenever you are asked for DL, give your CHL". I say, "isn't that only if you are carrying?" He says, "What, are you Perry Mason?". I felt like saying, but didn't, "what, are you teaching your opinion, or the law?"

How come he found it necessary to belittle someone in the class? Isn't it his job to teach the law and not his opinion?
J

When we have large classes we have two instructors in the room. I hate working with the instructors who are LEO's. They often do teach their opinion and sometimes it's incorrect with regard to what the law actually is. I just got out of class earlier today where a student had a question on open carrying. Open carry is not illegal here but it's certainly not a good idea either. The LEO told him it's illegal. It turned out the student is involved in historical re-enactments, was going for his license so he can carry handguns during shows, and now he's all freaked out about open carrying in costume. It puts me in a bad position because I don't want to call the guy out in front of the class but I don't want the student getting bad info either. I pulled him aside at break and told him it would be fine to OC during shows. LEO's who teach civilians are the worst. They think they know it all and more often than not they need to be corrected.....

[Glock Fan]

When we have large classes we have two instructors in the room. I hate working with the instructors who are LEO's. They often do teach their opinion and sometimes it's incorrect with regard to what the law actually is. I just got out of class earlier today where a student had a question on open carrying. Open carry is not illegal here but it's certainly not a good idea either. The LEO told him it's illegal. It turned out the student is involved in historical re-enactments, was going for his license so he can carry handguns during shows, and now he's all freaked out about open carrying in costume. It puts me in a bad position because I don't want to call the guy out in front of the class but I don't want the student getting bad info either. I pulled him aside at break and told him it would be fine to OC during shows. LEO's who teach civilians are the worst. They think they know it all and more often than not they need to be corrected.....

This is why it is very important to have a discussion with your co-instructors BEFORE the class. I make it a point to meet with all of my instructors before we teach together so I can get to know them and get a feel for what they're going to teach and how they're going to teach it.

I have several LEO instructors that teach with me. NEVER had a problem with any of them. Sure we've had some minor disagreements that we worked out during breaks, however never to a point where I wanted to or needed to set them straight during a class.