The projectile, the answer?

[Scouse]

The age old discussion, 9mm or .45 ACP? What about it matters not? Just the construction, and or velocity.

Say for instance a 9mm projectile, that weighs 45g, but has a velocity of 3000fps?
Penetrates 10" inches, then disintegrates. Creating a 4" cavity.

[Bighouse Doc]

The more important issue is connecting with a vital structure like a great vessel or CNS target!

No one has been very successful with getting rifle performance from handguns.

-Doc

[Scouse]

Correct Doc, but it might be possible with new materials/technology? Keeping out of places you should not be might be one of the ways being safe in these hard times, even in the safe? streets of your small subdivision.

IE, who moved in to the rental house? Who moved in with them? Things go to crap in an instant.

And most of the problem in the US of A? Drugs, and not aiming all the resources at stopping them coming in, stopping the need, the customers, hard decisions are coming. Recreational drugs? How mental is that for a statement.

[agrippakc]

Its a physics problem. Where as they could probably create such a beast, the materials needed would.make the bullets $100 bucks a piece. Lead going 800 fps at close range has been working just fine at $13 a box.

[TacticalPirate]

The caliber of your gun, the construction of the projectile, and your shot placement aren't the only factors in the equation. The will of your opponent to live has a tremendous effect on the outcome of an engagement. Between my stints in law enforcement, EMS, and the military, I've seen people survive some pretty horrendous gunshot wounds, from not only pistols but rifles, shotguns, and grenade launchers. On the other hand, I've also seen my share of bodies created by small caliber projectiles in non-lethal areas.

This kind of makes the age old discussion of "what caliber should I carry" moot and relegates it to the interesting discussion realm.

[Bluesteelfirearms]

Bullet design and construction has come a long way in the last few years. Better bullets - better performance. With all of the technological advances, still no one has been able to make a 9mm turn into a .45. Its still king of the hill in my opinion. That said, it may not be for everyone. Its not important that you hit something, its important that you hit something important. Don't get too hung up on the math stuff.

[Scouse]

Just a thought really, in a group I was shooting with a couple of years ago, came across some frangible rounds, 9mm.

Asked the sales person (he was not selling, just giving out some freebies) "what effect in torso shots in humans" he did not know, but ballistic Gel, break up into 5 or so bits, and spread out a bit. Bullet weight 90g?

Just great on steel, dust, little round 3/8" copper colored dot, no ricochets.

But it went right through a vest! That was hung on a target carrier!

Applications? Air Marshall's?

[Standby]

Ello Scouse

U causin grief again mate? ;-)

[Scouse]

Ello Scouse

U causin grief again mate? ;-)

Will, I was engineered that way!

Somewhere in my travels, years ago, I became friendly with an FBI Agent, he worked in Quantico. We corresponded regularly during the aftermath of the big shoot out in South Florida, in 1986. At that time I became a board member of IALEFI, till 2006, ran my business in Ontario Canada, training.

Watched the search for the magic bullet (cartridge) the failure of the ten, later turned into a more manageable sized cartridge, the S&W .40 by Tommy Gun Campbell. Coined a phrase "More is better, always" I still believe that, especially with no reloads, IE Glock 19 (my bias is showing yes?) 16X147g Ranger T, 9mm!

In starting this post, a trial balloon if you would, some interesting posts evolved, no magic bullet seems to be the consensus. The real estate mantra still seems, IMHO,
to be holding true, Location/Location/Location! And put a bunch of rounds in that location, quickly, and again, "More is better, always" The magic bullet? Not yet.
If ever.

[Nightmare45]

Still just comes down to Bullet Placement.