LEO encounter while PGR mission

[Sooner]

+1 for Austin. Some people will not read and comprehend or cannot read and comprehend. They look for anything to criticize.

[Cocked _and_Locked]

Austin was feeling his oats that day and let it get the best of him. Glad he finally realized that.

I have the utmost respect for the Patriot Guard mission.

[Anthony_I_Am]

Normally, "contact by law enforcement" means a officer is interacting with you in performance of his duties. Traffic stop, questioning, investigating a complaint, etc.
Just because the cop standing in line behind me at Burger King smiles and says "howdy" doesn't mean I have to pull out the CHP and tell him I'm carrying.

[handgonnetoter]

Normally, "contact by law enforcement" means a officer is interacting with you in performance of his duties. Traffic stop, questioning, investigating a complaint, etc.
Just because the cop standing in line behind me at Burger King smiles and says "howdy" doesn't mean I have to pull out the CHP and tell him I'm carrying.

Yea, its funny how even us guys that carry sometimes feel the guilt trip, or whatever it is, that makes us get a strange feeling around cops while carrying. I don't understand that, and probably never will. As time passes I get less of that feeling than I used to. Maybe it is because I know that some cops don't like the idea, and might make an issue of it. Funny thing is, some of the people that CC or OC have more "combat" experience than some of them. I guess that does not matter though, because we don't wear a uniform anymore.

[kerb]

I was at a Patriot Guard Mission and an officer was there on duty to do the escort. Anyhow he ended up coming up to me and talking with me while I was utilizing my ccw permit. I handed him the card and didnt say anything, he asked me if i had it right now and I said yes. His whole demeanor changed right then, he walked off, put his cruiser as a barrier between us, and got on the phone. Within 15 minutes two other officers came up to the funeral and had a big discussion. One of the officers that came by was obviously a supervisor. The supervisor was all calm and cool with everything and the rookie (first officer) always kept a barrier between us. Soon the officers were talking with the ride captain and you could tell it was about me as the rookie kept on pointing in my direction. There was nothing else that came of it as we went to do the flag line soon and the officers went on about their business. I guess this shows that the rookie officers are not really as cool with CCW as the supervisors. And that a bunch of bikers (several of them patched) carrying guns is probably what rookie cops dream of at night.

If the officer hadnt acted all weird about everything I could have put him at ease by showing him my badge. I am a Sergeant for the State of Oklahoma Department of Corrections. But whats the fun in that right?

A patch knowingly hanging around LEO would be uncommon at best.

I wonder why the officer was so intimidated by someone legally carrying?

[davisway]

Austin- I just read your post and knew right away what you were meaning so the idiotic comment by snidberg should not nother you nor anyone else.
Safe travels to you

[fudo]

So what is "while I was utilizing my ccw permit" waving it around in the air?????? Maybe you should check out the word "concealed" in Websters.... FULLSTOP...... Why would you have this out for the public to view???? Especially at a PGR Mission.....That is what burns me the most.... Do what you want in the supermarket parking lot but not on a funeral mission....Pure lack of good judgement,,, in my opinion..... ""If the officer hadnt acted all weird about everything I could have put him at ease by showing him my badge. I am a Sergeant for the State of Oklahoma Department of Corrections. But whats the fun in that right? Those are your words.... If you want to antagonize the LEO, espaecially at an important mission for the PGR you do not belong there... We need the LEO to understand we are law abiding responsible citlzens and not HOT DOGS trying to have fun at LEO expense, which affects us all.... You should apologize to the Ride Captain AND THE FAMILY,,,,for jepoardizing the FUNERAL AND ESCORT MISSION for a soldier...

snidley237 - you need to throttle back. Oklahoma, as has been noted above, is a must inform state. If you knew anything about PGR, you would know that Austin was engaged in an honorable deed. I' believe you should take a little time to find the facts before you try to take someone to task for imagined offenses.
BTW - There are many decaffeinated brands that are just as tasty as the regular brands

[Oldgrunt]

Austin: I commend you for your PG duty. When I die, I am having a military funeral and would be honored to have PGs there. If you come armed, that is fine with me. I have read all the comments on this thread and they prove one point to me, "Opinions are like certain parts of the body, we all have one and it is malodorous!" (That's the polite version.) Hang in there, you have done nothing wrong in my books.

[AzBanks]

Austin was feeling his oats that day and let it get the best of him. Glad he finally realized that.

I have the utmost respect for the Patriot Guard mission.

He was legally carrying and informed the officer of that fact as he thought his was required to do. How is following the law to the letter, "feeling his oats"?????????

This is copied from the Oklahoma Self Defense Act Handbook. It states that when the person first comes into contact with any law enforcement officer, not when contacted by law enforcement. To me that means that I am supposed to inform when there is any contact. If I pass a cop walking down the sidewalk I am not going to chase after them to tell them that I am carrying. But, if they stop and engage me in conversation then I believe that I am required to inform. Then again this is just my interpretation of a law, but I feel that it is better to err on the side of caution.


A. It shall be unlawful for any person to fail or refuse to identify the fact that the person is in actual possession of a concealed handgun pursuant to the authority of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act when the person first comes into contact with any law enforcement officer of this state or its political subdivisions or a federal law enforcement officer during the course of any arrest, detainment, or routine traffic stop. No person shall be required to identify himself or herself as a concealed handgun licensee when no handgun is in the person’s possession or in any vehicle in which the person is driving or is a passenger. Any violation of the provisions of this subsection shall, upon conviction, be a misdemeanor punishable by a fine not exceeding Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00), by imprisonment in the county jail for a period not to exceed ninety (90) days, or by both such fine and imprisonment. In addition to any criminal prosecution for a violation of the provisions of this subsection, the licensee shall be subject to a six-month suspension of the license and an administrative fine of Fifty Dollars ($50.00), upon a hearing and determination by the Bureau that the person is in violation of the provisions of this subsection

The underlined part is one complete sentence. The bold part is the end of the sentence. You only have to inform them during an arrest, detainment or traffic stop.

Actually I believe the fault is mine. While pondering what the problem might be I believe that the mis-communication is none other than my fault.

Having carried for several years I have began to develop a bad habit of calling the concealed carry license a CCW, which to people new to carrying and these forums could rightfully determine to mean Concealed Carry Weapon. I guess I should start calling in an Oklahoma Self Defense Act Concealed Firearm Permit or OK.S.D.A.C.F.P. for short.

Upon reflection I have also determined that I need to apologize for losing my temper. These forums have helped me immensely and I need to respect them as such. I would hate for someone that is brand new to this site to look on here and see me losing my temper and consider that the normal for this site, which I can personally assure that it is not.

Hindsight is truly 20/20

The fault is not yours and you should be receiving the apology, not giving it. Your post is quite clear and I think you held your temper very well. I think anyone who reads your posts would have great respect for you(I certainly do).