What do you do when the local LEO doesn't know the law?

[Deserteagle]

Here is the Nebraska requirement from:
http://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/forms/ccw/CCWRegs.pdf



So, at what point did the contact with the police officer in the OP go from "social" to "official". What was the basis for the "official" contact made by the police officer? He sees a leather strap under the coat of a man wearing motorcycle protective gear who happens to be riding a motorcycle at the time? That is REALLY suspicious of a crime in progress meeting the requirements for a Terry Stop? Really?

Did the OP do ANYTHING that was worthy of suspicion that a crime was about to be committed, ESPECIALLY AFTER he purchased a drink and left the premises and was preparing to drive off? IF the officer felt there was suspicion of a robbery about to be committed, why did he wait until AFTER the OP made a lawful purchase, and was out at his motorcycle preparing to leave WITHOUT INCIDENT!?!

Sorry, I stand by my judgment: ignorant cop who might have been improperly trained, forgot his training, didn't understand his training regarding the requirements for a Terry Stop type detainment, which is when notification is required in Nebraska OR maybe he was just power hungry and gets off on using his badge to harass law abiding citizens belonging to a certain group of people that he might have predjudices against.

Once again, there is nothing ignorant about the cop's actions. He correctly stated the law to the OP. Whether or not it was an official stop is irrelevant because the cop obviously did not issue a ticket for not informing. In other words, the cop did not consider it official and neither do you. No ticket issued, no law broken, no person accused of breaking a law. The cop asked the OP if he knew he was supposed to notify police about his gun, he didn't say "Since you didnt notify me, I am going to arrest you". It was more of a "for future reference" reminder to an out of state person.

[NavyLCDR]

Once again, there is nothing ignorant about the cop's actions. He correctly stated the law to the OP. Whether or not it was an official stop is irrelevant because the cop obviously did not issue a ticket for not informing. In other words, the cop did not consider it official and neither do you. No ticket issued, no law broken, no person accused of breaking a law. The cop asked the OP if he knew he was supposed to notify police about his gun, he didn't say "Since you didnt notify me, I am going to arrest you". It was more of a "for future reference" reminder to an out of state person.

Sorry, Deserteagle, but you leave one small item out of your discussion:

So then he goes on to tell me that I have to inform law enforcement or emergency personell I'm carrying even if it's a chance encounter in a convienence store. I told him that doesn't make any sense to me and asked him if he's driving down the road going south and I'm driving north do I got to turn around and run him down to tell him I'm carrying? He then went on to tell me about some guy who proactively went up to him, showed him his permit, and he confiscated the guys gun anyway and still hasn't given it back.

Those simply are not the words of a police officer who is acting in an intelligent and professional manner. Either the officer was ignorant of the law, or enjoys using his badge to hassle law abiding citizens because he thinks he can.

[Wyldekard]

Once again, there is nothing ignorant about the cop's actions. He correctly stated the law to the OP. Whether or not it was an official stop is irrelevant because the cop obviously did not issue a ticket for not informing. In other words, the cop did not consider it official and neither do you. No ticket issued, no law broken, no person accused of breaking a law. The cop asked the OP if he knew he was supposed to notify police about his gun, he didn't say "Since you didnt notify me, I am going to arrest you". It was more of a "for future reference" reminder to an out of state person.

Deserteagle, you weren't there, I was. You've got it wrong, NavyLCDR has got it right. You're making some pretty definative statements for somebody who has no idea what actually happened. If you don't want to call the cop ignorant, fine that's just semantics anyway. Let's call the cop what he was trying to be and that's a damn bully with a badge. Are all cops that way? Hell no. Was this Ahole? You damn right he was.

Everybody was fine with me when I walked in the door and went to the coolers to get my soda. Everybody was scared when I went to the counter to pay for my soda. What happened in that 2 minutes in between? Obviously the cop told them all I had a gun (based on his visual observation of a leather strap thru the arm hole of my vest) and that I was gonna rob the place and there would be a gunfight. Why else would the guy that was standing at the counter next to where I walked up to pay JUMP and I mean JUMP out of what would have been the line of the cops fire? Then the cop followed me outside, hand on gun, and proceded to try to precipitate an incident. You need to read AND comprehend my original post. He long paused between his 2 initial statements because he was trying to make his case that I did not follow HIS FANTASY VERSION of the law. Not the actual law itself, which NavyLCDR not only provided the link to, he quoted & highlighted the actual statement of the Nebraska law. How can you miss that AND argue your point?

Deserteagle, if I hold a gun to your head, dress you down and make you crap your jeans it doesn't change what it is just because I didn't pull the trigger and put a hole in your skull!! Is this an extreme example? Yes! Is it the same concept as what happened to me? Hell yes!! This cop did not know the law, he had a fantasy in his mind that was close to the law. I don't have to obey some Ahole's fantasy. He didn't like the fact that I didn't run up and kiss his butt like he thought should happen and he decided he was gonna teach me a lesson. If you actually read my original post, I said there came a time when I got pissed off. If you think I was speaking to this moron in a soft calming tone, again you are dead wrong. I was talking to him like he was an idiot and using his own flawed logic to point out how foolish what he said is the law (which was not). I think he changed his mind about what he was saying and screwing with me about when he heard how stupid his fantasy of the law was when it was said out loud.

Don't pick out certain words with the quote tool or partial concepts in your mind and think you've got it right or even have a defensable point. If you were there, make definative statements. If you weren't there, don't be so sure about what happened. The truth of the matter is what this cop did was totally ignorant and completely wrong. I should have been on my motorcycle and on my way without any type of story to tell.

[Deserteagle]

Don't pick out certain words with the quote tool or partial concepts in your mind and think you've got it right or even have a defensable point.

Haha, you're right. Ill stop picking "words" out of your posts. Including "words" such as "defensable".

[Deserteagle]

Sorry, Deserteagle, but you leave one small item out of your discussion:




Those simply are not the words of a police officer who is acting in an intelligent and professional manner. Either the officer was ignorant of the law, or enjoys using his badge to hassle law abiding citizens because he thinks he can.

I sincerely apologize for my mistake.

[Treo]

When all else fails, unleash the Trunk Monkey

[NavyLCDR]

I sincerely apologize for my mistake.

No problem, I've been known to be overzealous in defending my position and overlook a small fact here and there...

[Wyldekard]

Haha, you're right. Ill stop picking "words" out of your posts. Including "words" such as "defensable".

Deserteagle, it seems my dictionary got hung up in the holster! Since my spelling of the word is not defenceable, I concede and promise not to enter a spelling bee as I would be defenceless.