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I'm glad she had that experience.Originally Posted by jethrodull
Katherine Johnston and Katerina Obrycka had somewhat different experiences with the police.
my wife locked her keys of her car in her car at Wal Mart. She saw a police officer nearby, walked up to his window and tapped on the glass. He rolled it down and she asked if he could help open her car. He says he is not allowed, for liability reasons, but he'd see what he could do. They walked over to the car. He couldn't find an easy way in. He let her use his cell phone to call me. I couldn't get there for over an hour, so she was going to walk home in time to pick up my son from school. Officer offered to take her home. He actually let her ride in the front of his car and drover her home. She was able to get inside the house, recover my set of keys to her car and got a ride back to WalMart.
Good thing she didn't speak to him, or he might have "jacked her up" and violated her rights. Never once did he ask for her ID or demand to frisk her for a concealed weapon.
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I'm glad she had that experience.
Katherine Johnston and Katerina Obrycka had somewhat different experiences with the police.
Just a little teensy bit different situation than eating dinner and a cop comes up to you and asks, "Would you step outside with me for a minute?" or a cop taps on your window and asks, "Would you step out of the car, please?" Don't you think?
I am not anti-cop, I am pro-Constitution.
Mr. Whitlock, I'm a LEO and thank you for stating, "all cops aren't ****'s.". It is refreshing to hear that from a citizen and I wanted you to know I appreciate your comment too.
santa
I have never said ALL cops are as you put it ****'s. What I and many others are tired of is is the 'big brother' attitude of many cops. The FACT is when you ask where we(any of us) have been or where we are going it is NONE of your business. The FACT is you are a stranger asking us personal questions. The FACT is when you attempt to bully and manipulate us into making 'confessions' to things we did NOT do by FALSELY promising things will go easier on us if we do confess and then pretend to be a friend, you are lying. The fact is we do not like being bullied or manipulated into allowing you to search our private possions, go get a warrent but till then we do not consent to the search. IF we choose to remain silent it is because we do NOT trust you and or we just do not want to talk with you. IF we are legally carrying a gun openly or concealed and you dont like it ,tough. You want respect? Earn it. By the way I showed this post to a relative of mine who IS a cop and he agrees 100%.
santa
You are so right NavyLCDR.
So did Hope Steffey when she was the victim of an assault and, after calling 911 for help, ended up getting arrested and strip-searched by female.....and male officers.
The case was settled out of court about a year after it happened. There was no question that policy was breached at the very least by the male LEOs participating in the strip search. There ought to be a law against it if there isn't (or wasn't at the time), but even the Sheriff admitted that policy was violated.
Of course all LEOs are not this brutal. That is hardly the point of the good advice contained in the OP, or subsequent posts supportive of it. The point is that it is up to each one of us as individuals to do our part to preserve and protect our rights by asserting them any time they might conceivably be violated, and any contact with LE carries the most potential for such violations to occur.
Our rights are specified in part to inform us what our responsibilities and immunities are under the law. The law is ostensibly written to work within those parameters. In short, our rights are just as much the law as any statute or traffic ordinance or even laws describing what constitutes a felony are. LEOs who claim to be on the side of the law, should have no problem whatsoever with citizens who follow the advice in the OP. If they do, then they don't have a legitimate claim to being on the side of the law.
Blues
Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to Police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.
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The sopa video on the main page ends with "the question is, how far will they take this? The answer is obvious, as far as we'll let them."
That sums up this thread pretty well IMO. How far will you let them take away your rights? I don't plan to let them take any of my rights, ever. If anyone wants to give up their rights, so be it, that's your choice. It does make my life harder when officers feel they are entitled to people waiving their rights, but entitlement seems to be a big issue across the US anyways...I'll do my part in preserving our rights, and hope someday the people of the US stop being indifferent.
Of course I believe the point is that what you assume to be small talk is not. It's a tactic that officers are trained in. It's designed to get you off guard and talking. Hopefully you'll make an admission that they can act on. I'm not sure of the percentage but most simple arrests stem from information developed in this manner. I'd bet it's in the high 80% range.
The OP is spot on in my opinion.
Got any source for this information?
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