How To End These Got My Chops Busted By A Cop Threads

[Treo]

All these “Generic Bad experience W/ A Cop” would come to a screeching halt is we just followed some simple rules
1. If you are pulled over by a cop, unless you are legally required to do so or you know (I.E. you are about to get patted down he's going to find your weapon do not inform the cop that you are armed (this assumes you are, of course, legally armed)
2. Make the cop tell you why he pulled you over (I.E. Do you know why I pulled you over tonight Mr. Potential detainee? “No Officer I haven’t a clue please tell me.
3. When he tells you why he pulled you over do not argue (I.E. Ok officer I’ll take my ticket now”) you can fight it in court later.
4. Never ever, ever, ever consent to a search. Ever if they tell you they’ll get a warrant tell them to go for it.
5. Under no circumstances answer questions or make a statement of any kind without your lawyer present.
6. A traffic stop’s a given, they pull you over your not free to go other than that as soon as they contact you ask. If they say you are free to go, go if they say you’re not ask for your lawyer and shut up.
7. Never make small talk with a cop (I.E. ‘where are you coming from tonight Mr. Potential detainee?’ “From conducting my lawful private business officer, am I free to go?”). Cops don’t make small talk.

If you’re just walking down the street and a cop stops you, you should immediately ascertain whether or not you’re free to leave. The easiest way to do this is simply ask the cop “Officer am I free to go?” If he says you are do it.

Cops don’t just stop random people on the street to make conversation, if he stopped you there’s a reason and the worst thing you can do is engage him in conversation because the longer you talk the more likely you are to say something he can use against you. So, it goes like this

Cop: excuse me Buck can I ask you a couple of questions?
Treo: Sorry Officer I really don’t have time right now. Am I free to go?
Cop: It’s really just a couple of quick questions; I would really help me out if you cooperate.
Treo: Officer, as I stated I do not have time to speak with you. Am I free to go?
Cop: Yes you can leave, but it would really help me…
Treo: Thank you Officer good day.

If a cop ever tells you you’re not free to go that means he has a reasonable suspicion based on clearly articuable facts, that you have, in fact, committed a crime and is looking for probable cause to arrest you. (If he had PC you’d all ready be in handcuffs)
This is absolutely the time to calmly and firmly assert your rights and shut up!

Cop: No buck you are not free to go I’m detaining you because….
Treo: Officer I don’t wish to answer any questions or make any statement w/out my lawyer present.
Cop: Buck right now is the time for you to be cooperating with me; it’ll go much easier for you if you do.
Treo: Officer I don’t wish to answer any questions or make any statement w/out my lawyer present.
Cop: Yada Yada Yada
Treo: Officer I don’t wish to answer any questions or make any statement w/out my lawyer present.

Get the picture?
You and the Police
Kenneth W. Royce (Writing as Boston T. Party)
Javelin Press 2006


follow these simple rules every time you interact with a cop and we won’t have any more of these threads I promise

[SGB]

[RJ_Whitlock]

7. Never make small talk with a cop (I.E. ‘where are you coming from tonight Mr. Potential detainee?’ “From conducting my lawful private business officer, am I free to go?”). Cops don’t make small talk.

Every time I've been stopped, the cops make small talk with me. I guess your just an a$$hole, not all cops are dicks.

[Flanmedic51]

This post is ignorant. And really no one should follow this advice...and better yet you shouldn't carry a loaded weapon because you're head is not in the game. Cops will have a line of questioning, particularly if its known you have a ccw. Cops are getting mowed down by *******, cowardly criminals every day so if they make me step out of my car, pat me down or ask me a few extra questions, so friggin be it. Cuz at the end of the day, I'm going home safe and sound and so is the cop.

[Long Range .338]

I think it to be a wise idea to take caution any time you talk to "Law enforcement" things go wrong very quickly. There are some in authority that are truly good folks, but there are those that abuse their power. I don't know who is which. Do you?

[csmith177]

The guy gives you the best advice you will hear on your life and you call him an Ahole .. Thats so wrong. Just wait til your small talk lands you in handcuffs or even worse het you beatin by the cops. You think its small talk but get the wrong cop and u will end up In the hospital. And then spend years figjting a cops word against yours. Its not easy. I have been there.

[Keykutter]

You can really separate the men from the boys around here. That's not really a bad thing, just a lack of living that only time will fix.

That is, if you get out from behind your keyboard and do some real time in real life.

KK

[NavyLCDR]

This post is ignorant. And really no one should follow this advice...and better yet you shouldn't carry a loaded weapon because you're head is not in the game. Cops will have a line of questioning, particularly if its known you have a ccw. Cops are getting mowed down by *******, cowardly criminals every day so if they make me step out of my car, pat me down or ask me a few extra questions, so friggin be it. Cuz at the end of the day, I'm going home safe and sound and so is the cop.

Good thing the Founding Fathers didn't follow this line of thinking, we would still be singing "God Save the Queen" at ball games. The citizen is getting mowed down everyday by the government that is supposed to be serving the citizen. There is no excuse to allow the government to trample the Constitution.

McNaughton Fine Art

[RJ_Whitlock]

The guy gives you the best advice you will hear on your life and you call him an Ahole .. Thats so wrong. Just wait til your small talk lands you in handcuffs or even worse het you beatin by the cops. You think its small talk but get the wrong cop and u will end up In the hospital. And then spend years figjting a cops word against yours. Its not easy. I have been there.

The way every situation ends depends on how you handle yourself. If what you have said is true, you must've done something wrong. Youtube, a camcorder/audio recorder, and a good lawyer will help you more than you'd ever know. In a bad situation, if you have your bases covered you'll end up on top. Go troll somewhere else.

[Bighouse Doc]

Talking to an LEO without ones attorney is very rarely a good idea.

-Doc