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    I've been carrying for over five years, and I encountered a situation for the first time on which I'd like some feedback, particularly from law enforcement personnel.

    While driving home I was passed by a State Trooper (flashing lights...no siren), when he pulled over a vehicle three cars ahead. The road is narrow, so all traffic nearly came to a halt.

    The trooper exited his vehicle and approached the stopped car with gun drawn(!). After carefully observing the driver, the Trooper aimed his weapon at the driver and began shouting orders.

    Our community has had a rash of home invasions and holdups of several merchants over the last few weeks.

    My question...as a CCW carrier, what, if any, should my role have been? Pull over and observe the encounter in case another weapon is needed? Announce to the Trooper that I "had his back"? Slowly move my vehicle around the encounter and keep going (my ultimate action)?

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    Let him just do his job. He's not going to want your help. And if your not a sworn leo, you may not help the case if they persue charges

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    He is also not going to have time to verify who you are when he has his gun drawn at different situation

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    It all depends...No two situations are ever the same.
    If I had my family in the vehicle with me, I would probably just keep on driving and mind my own business.

    If I was alone and I had the 'gut feeling' to observe from a safe distance, then I would do so.
    If I saw the officer in serious danger, I would back him/her up accordingly;
    a)Call 911
    b)Report the situation.
    c)Assist the Officer 'as needed'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juknelis View Post
    I've been carrying for over five years, and I encountered a situation for the first time on which I'd like some feedback, particularly from law enforcement personnel.

    While driving home I was passed by a State Trooper (flashing lights...no siren), when he pulled over a vehicle three cars ahead. The road is narrow, so all traffic nearly came to a halt.

    The trooper exited his vehicle and approached the stopped car with gun drawn(!). After carefully observing the driver, the Trooper aimed his weapon at the driver and began shouting orders.

    Our community has had a rash of home invasions and holdups of several merchants over the last few weeks.

    My question...as a CCW carrier, what, if any, should my role have been? Pull over and observe the encounter in case another weapon is needed? Announce to the Trooper that I "had his back"? Slowly move my vehicle around the encounter and keep going (my ultimate action)?
    Probably be a silent observer would be the best bet or you could face some interference law unless the occifer was shot / shot at and outgunnned then it might be appropriate to intervene but with extreme caution. I don't think as a CCW holder we are expected to assist in dangerous situations unless you have extensive training that could be utilized. Just my opinion
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    Your role was to be a gawker. Your role, should shooting have started between the officer and the person he pulled over, would have been to seek safety. Your role, should the officer have fallen and the suspect drove away, would have been to call 911, report what happened, and potentially provide first aid. Your role, had the officer fallen and the suspect came to your car to carjack it and take it from you, then - ONLY THEN - would your role have included drawing your weapon.

    As others have said, approaching an officer while he is dealing with another situation that has him drawing his gun is a sure way to get yourself shot. The officer doesn't have time to verify your identity or intentions.

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    Well stated CharonPDX. If that situation, in the officers opinion, requires that he draw his weapon, the last thing he needs is for soneone, or something, to distract him for even a second. While setting you should observe, maybe write down a license number or occupant(s) description. Anything that might prove useful shpould the situation turn ugly. And thanks for asking.

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    Just keep on about your business


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    I remember seeing a video somewhere that showed an armed citizen (freelance cameraman) assisting an officer who was being wrestled to the ground and overpowered by a suspect. The armed citizen layed his camera down (still filming) then he drew his weapon (appeared to be a 1911) and ordered the large attacker off of the officer.
    The officer was then able to regain control of the suspect. It was awesome. I am trying to find it on Youtube, but no luck.
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    Good question, tough to answer. As former law enforcement, I generally agree with The_Outlaw's response. One would think if the officer, as he exits his vehicle, has already decided drawing his weapon is appropriate, he has most likely called for back-up that's on the way. The only time for an armed good-guy private citizen to take action would be as an absolute last resort if leo or innocent lives are in imminent danger and then, know the chances of things going all kinds of wrong are pretty good, and maybe be screaming something to make it clear you are the good guy. Probably not, "I'm Batman, I'm Batman", which brings up another question. What do you all think might be the best way to let present or arriving leos know you're on their side?

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