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    Seriously...I can't seem to understand some of these threads suggesting and/or recommending not speaking with a LEO w/out a lawyer or how having a conversation during a professional encounter with a LEO will somehow violate your 5th Amendment rights. I have MANY friends that are LEOs. If I do get a pat down, they are checking to see if I HAVE my gun on me! But seriously, even if I don't know a LEO that stops me (and its been YEARS since I've been stopped), there is common sense involved...unless you have done something stupid and/or ridiculous to cause a bad experience. We all have a duty to be safe and responsible, and the LEO also has a duty AND the desire to go home safely at the end of his/her shift. The link provided from Guns and Ammo provides a common sense approach to a LE encounter. I'm sure many have seen this before but it's worth a re-post anyway.

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    Common sense tells me I'm not being stopped to be invited to a presidential beer summit, so I'm going to proffer my DL, reg & proof of ins, keep my mouth shut and let the nice GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL do his/her JOB.
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    Equally applicable videos with tips for when stopped by police:





    Is it really necessary to start this again?

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    Common sense tells me I'm not being stopped to be invited to a presidential beer summit, so I'm going to proffer my DL, reg & proof of ins, keep my mouth shut and let the nice GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL do his/her JOB.
    ^^^^ and by doing that, and only that, in no way hinders Officer Friendly from doing his/her duty and going home safe to their family at night, which also happens to be exactly my goal as well. How hard is it to just produce the documents required by law and sign on the line if asked to do so? If you choose to fight the citation in court, waiving your rights immediately at the sight of a uniform and badge at the scene is only going to lessen your chances of winning. You aren't doing yourself any favors by waiving your rights; and polite compliance with the requirements of law, and the requirements of law only does nothing to hinder the officer's job or their safetly.

    And while the police officers are going home safe at the end of their shift, here we are still....
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    Is it really necessary to start this again?[/QUOTE]

    Yup, I knew you would stop by...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
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    ^^^^ and by doing that, and only that, in no way hinders Officer Friendly from doing his/her duty and going home safe to their family at night, which also happens to be exactly my goal as well. How hard is it to just produce the documents required by law and sign on the line if asked to do so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Equally applicable videos with tips for when stopped by police:





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    ^^^^ and by doing that, and only that, in no way hinders Officer Friendly from doing his/her duty and going home safe to their family at night, which also happens to be exactly my goal as well. How hard is it to just produce the documents required by law and sign on the line if asked to do so? If you choose to fight the citation in court, waiving your rights immediately at the sight of a uniform and badge at the scene is only going to lessen your chances of winning. You aren't doing yourself any favors by waiving your rights; and polite compliance with the requirements of law, and the requirements of law only does nothing to hinder the officer's job or their safetly.
    Since I've seen you post these vids before, this is one of the reasons why I posted the one from Guns and Ammo, which IMHO, holds more merit and logical decision making. Make no mistake, if I get harassed or think my rights are being violated by a LEO, than it's my responsibility to report it to a higher authority, ie, Chief of police or town official. If I'm legal, then I'm legal...period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanmedic51 View Post
    Since I've seen you post these vids before, this is one of the reasons why I posted the one from Guns and Ammo, which IMHO, holds more merit and logical decision making. Make no mistake, if I get harassed or think my rights are being violated by a LEO, than it's my responsibility to report it to a higher authority, ie, Chief of police or town official. If I'm legal, then I'm legal...period.
    And we've seen the guns and ammo video before as well. It's nothing new. There is nothing new to this discussion. By the way, a little secret for you: a LEO cannot violate rights that you waive and don't exercise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    And we've seen the guns and ammo video before as well. It's nothing new. There is nothing new to this discussion. By the way, a little secret for you: a LEO cannot violate rights that you waive and don't exercise.
    It's still new to many out there that use this forum for good and informative information. I'm sure you've seen this video before...many haven't. If it seriously bothers you, then you don't have to respond and repost your videos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanmedic51 View Post
    It's still new to many out there that use this forum for good and informative information. I'm sure you've seen this video before...many haven't. If it seriously bothers you, then you don't have to respond and repost your videos.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_S View Post
    I think the chances of anyone ever getting attacked and needing a gun are pretty slim so why bother carrying one at all?
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    Massad Ayoob prefaced his recommendation of how to respond to an LE stop that "...In fifty states we got a fifty piece patchwork quilt of laws that govern this. Some states Arizona, Texas, Michigan you're required by the law to advise any officer you have business contact or professional contact with that you're carrying..." With the remainder of the video discussing how to convey the fact you are carrying to the officer in those states where informing the officer is law, very good info. Also good advice of how to respond when asked to get out of the car when carrying. I am in the camp that if not required to inform I won't but if required to I would follow Massad Ayoob's recommendation.
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