LEO Encounter on my property...

[The Gun Man]

Wow, some of you guys are amazing. Going back to original subject here without the ego's. I have had intruders on my land before and have pulled down on them and not pulled on them. I even made one guy lay in a sewer until cops came. As far as telling LE is you have a gun is up to you or the law if you live in a state that requires it. There is no right or wrong as each case is different. The important thing is all ended well so there was no grave mistakes made. I teach tactics class's so some say I am a expert. I learn all the time. I have even learned by reading in this forum. Remember it the outcome that matters and if you servived that is all that counts. So stop trying to tell each other how wrong they are and try to learn fror thier experiances. Experiance is the best teacher.

[NavyLCDR]

I posted this as a seperate thread in a seperate section because I meant for this to be limited to the LEO interaction only. The trespassing situation was already completely over - there were no unkown peeps on my property for at least 10 minutes before the police arrived, and 911 already knew the trespasser was leaving.

IMHO, I believe the LEO encounter went exactly as it should have....

I had a legally carried concealed firearm that remained concealed.
The deputy was only coming to take my statement and go over to the neighbor's property to check out the stranger.
My gun never left the holster that entire morning, was irrelevent to the reason for the police presence, and remained a non-issue during the entire police encounter because I kept my mouth shut about it as allowed by law.

The police were never summonned to respond to an emergency.

[R O Bill]

In North Carolina it is a requirement of having a CCW to notify any officer in any situation IF POSSIBLE that you are carrying - concealed or not. If they do a check they (LEO) will already know you have a CCW because it will come up with your name or Drivers License number. This is part of the CCW training and is on the final test. For example if you are stopped for a traffic violation you must inform the officer when approached that you are carrying. The officer will normally take your gun, unload it, and place it in his vehicle. After the incident is complete the officer will return your gun to you with the clip/ammo removed. If you are on your property and call for an officer the LEO will ask you to put the weapon down or holster it while he checks out the situation. We do not have any issues with this requirement as it is for their own protection as well as ours. If you do not report that you are carrying you can have your CCW revoked PERMANENTLY. Concealed Carry is a PRIVILEDGE - not a right.

Perhaps you should read the "Bill of Rights". The RIGHT of the People Shall Not Be Infringed

[Flanmedic51]

Perhaps you should read the "Bill of Rights". The RIGHT of the People Shall Not Be Infringed

I agree that the BOR, 2nd Amend, etc state that it's a right, but the way that States have warped it with laws and over-legislation, it has morphed into a 'privilege'. We don't have to agree with it, but it is what it is.

As far as this incident Navy, glad everything went well and law was followed. At the end of the day, that's what matters.

[Deserteagle]

I did put my shirt over the gun to cover it up when I saw him turn into my driveway. Funny how concealed means concealed, when I choose to conceal it. As far as I know the deputy went home safe to his family at the end of his shift.

Im interested in why the proudest open carrier on this forum decided to hide his gun as if it is something bad?

[NavyLCDR]

Im interested in why the proudest open carrier on this forum decided to hide his gun as if it is something bad?

First, I carry my gun openly to deter violent criminals from choosing me as a target. I had no reason to believe the officer responding would be a violent criminal looking for an easy target.

Second, when I am in a situation where I feel there is an increased chance of someone handling my gun without my consent, I will take precautions to prevent that. One precaution might be to hold my elbow tight against my gun. Another precaution might be to simply flip my shirt over my gun.

Since I was about to enter into a situation with an increased chance of someone handling my gun without my consent, I felt it prudent to flip my shirt over it as a precaution against that. Which is the same reason why I did not disclose to the 911 operator nor to the arriving officer that there was a gun safe, secure and concealed in a holster under my shirt....because I wanted to keep my gun safe, secure and in it's holster.

[Deserteagle]

First, I carry my gun openly to deter violent criminals from choosing me as a target. I had no reason to believe the officer responding would be a violent criminal looking for an easy target.

Second, when I am in a situation where I feel there is an increased chance of someone handling my gun without my consent, I will take precautions to prevent that. One precaution might be to hold my elbow tight against my gun. Another precaution might be to simply flip my shirt over my gun.

Since I was about to enter into a situation with an increased chance of someone handling my gun without my consent, I felt it prudent to flip my shirt over it as a precaution against that. Which is the same reason why I did not disclose to the 911 operator nor to the arriving officer that there was a gun safe, secure and concealed in a holster under my shirt....because I wanted to keep my gun safe, secure and in it's holster.

Sounds like a reasonable answer. Not challenging you, just wondering.

[NavyLCDR]

Sounds like a reasonable answer. Not challenging you, just wondering.

I can provide reasonable answers to people who ask reasonable questions or make reasonable comments... :-)

[billwot]

In North Carolina it is a requirement of having a CCW to notify any officer in any situation IF POSSIBLE that you are carrying - concealed or not. If they do a check they (LEO) will already know you have a CCW because it will come up with your name or Drivers License number. This is part of the CCW training and is on the final test. For example if you are stopped for a traffic violation you must inform the officer when approached that you are carrying. The officer will normally take your gun, unload it, and place it in his vehicle. After the incident is complete the officer will return your gun to you with the clip/ammo removed. If you are on your property and call for an officer the LEO will ask you to put the weapon down or holster it while he checks out the situation. We do not have any issues with this requirement as it is for their own protection as well as ours. If you do not report that you are carrying you can have your CCW revoked PERMANENTLY. Concealed Carry is a PRIVILEDGE - not a right.

I don't know what part of the state your in, but I have never had my weapon confiscated at a traffic stop. I was stopped once for driving too slow, 60 in 70 zone (I'm a contractor and had about 800# of shingles in the bed of my pickup). It was a county deputy and I gave him my license and permit, and told him I had a weapon in the vehicle. He asked me where it was and I told him. I'm sure he suspecteed me of being intoxicated, but when it was obvious I was not, he told be to drive carefully, and went back to his cruiser.

I live in a rural/agricultural area, and both the county deputies and the State Troopers do a lot of "license checks". I guess they are looking for "farm workers" that might be unlicensed, uninsured, and possibly under the influence. I probably get stopped at license check 2-3 times a year. I always hand them my carry permit and my license, and tell them I am armed. Most of the time they don't even ask where it is.

[Axeanda45]

I agree that the BOR, 2nd Amend, etc state that it's a right, but the way that States have warped it with laws and over-legislation, it has morphed into a 'privilege'. We don't have to agree with it, but it is what it is.

It is what it is BECAUSE of those who just lie down and accept it.... If enough of us so-called 2nd Amendment "rights" people just ignored the Un-Constitutional (fake) "laws" then their bites would get weaker and weaker... But that would take REAL (as in not fake or just internet bravado) guts and resolve...

Which from reading this forum for over 2 yrs, I can attest that MOST on here do not possess anything like what is needed... They are way too concerned with what Suzi-soccer mom would think or how terrible it would be to "dirty their law-abiding citizen facade" all the while not realizing they are actually condoning following that which is Un-Constitutional in the first place...... and by doing so, enforcing the very same mindset that got us here in the first place...

The powers that be get away with what they do (in this case, writing and enforcing unconstitutional laws about firearms) BECAUSE WE LET THEM!