Disturbing LEO encounter...

[Punch]

At any point when a person suspects they are not in their mind, or not feeling good, they should pull over.

You evidently have serious comprehension problems. Like people here have been trying to tell you, THE DRIVER PROBABLY DID NOT KNOW HE WAS HAVING A PROBLEM UNTIL HE WAS PULLED OVER. Now, I typed that very slowly so that you could possibly understand it. When I was diagnosed with diabetes years ago, one of the first things that the doctor told me was that those around me would probably notice that I was going into an emergency situation long before I did. That is one reason that we are encouraged to wear some form of identification indicating our condition. This driver most likely did not even suspect that he was not in his right mind until he was pulled over.

Diabetes can be controlled. Stupidity, I am not so sure. Some of us do not base our knowledge of diabetes from WebMD. We live with it.

[Deserteagle]

You evidently have serious comprehension problems. Like people here have been trying to tell you, THE DRIVER PROBABLY DID NOT KNOW HE WAS HAVING A PROBLEM UNTIL HE WAS PULLED OVER. Now, I typed that very slowly so that you could possibly understand it. When I was diagnosed with diabetes years ago, one of the first things that the doctor told me was that those around me would probably notice that I was going into an emergency situation long before I did. That is one reason that we are encouraged to wear some form of identification indicating our condition. This driver most likely did not even suspect that he was not in his right mind until he was pulled over.

Diabetes can be controlled. Stupidity, I am not so sure. Some of us do not base our knowledge of diabetes from WebMD. We live with it.

Since you have proven how personal this topic is getting for some people, Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and stop arguing about it. I did happen to find another quote that Ill settle with from Peter J. Nebergall, PhD, not WebMD since you take issue with that too. "Some folks can tell, most of the time, if they're getting low. Some folks can't." We'll have to assume he couldnt.

[Deanimator]

This was also handled very poorly by the driver. Instead of calling 911 while having a diabetic shock, this genius decides to "drive erratically" and "weave through lanes" at 4 in the morning. This guy could have easily killed somebody, especially if he had passed out and crashed into somebody. Just like the people that fall asleep behind the wheel instead of pull over, its pure negligence like this that can get innocent people killed.

Its unfortunate that the guy got beat up, but at least the cops stopped him before he crashed into somebody.

My conclusion: The driver is an idiot. The cops who beat him up are idiots.

I have diabetes and I can say without one iota of hesitation that YOU are an idiot.

The overwhelming likelihood is that the person was mentally incapacitated by his medical condition and was unable to REALIZE his condition or do anything about it.

Your willingness to blame someone with a medical condition for the animalistic savagery inflicted on him in order to avoid criticizing police is utterly despicable.

You should be ashamed of yourself, but I KNOW you won't be.

[Deanimator]

Lol.
And if you cant even dial 911, then why would you try to drive a car???!!!! That is my point, it is better to not put others in danger.

The odds are overwhelming that he wasn't incapacitated when he STARTED driving.

Point? You don't have a point, only servile adoration of police and a limitless capacity for justifying even their most loathsome behavior.

[Deserteagle]

The odds are overwhelming that he wasn't incapacitated when he STARTED driving.

Point? You don't have a point, only servile adoration of police and a limitless capacity for justifying even their most loathsome behavior.

Deanimator, I have diabetes as well. Welcome to my ignore list. I would rather listen to Obama talk because he at least shows enough maturity to not harass, attack, and name call like you do.

One last point. I called the police idiots which just goes to show that you are wrong, and you did not read the posts in this thread before attacking me. I guess I adore police when I call them idiots. Gee you make so much sense... Graduate from high school before attacking people.

[Deanimator]

Deanimator, I have diabetes as well.

Strange, you seem not to know much about it.

I would rather listen to Obama talk because he at least shows enough maturity to not harass, attack, and name call like you do.

My conclusion: The driver is an idiot.

Dr. Mengele, heal thyself.

[Firefighterchen]

Dang this thread is going downhill fast with personal insults.

Desert Eagle I meant no disrespect when I posted against you.

Everyone else getting in his face about it, let it go. He has a side, let him speak, and rebuttle with honesty and integrity and maybe he will change his mind. Insult him and he won't change his mind.

If more information comes out, and it does indeed look like a diabetic got in a car, knowing full well he did not eat enough for his daily expenditure of sugar, or took his insulin without eating, then yes he is an idiot diabetic for endangering others. We don't know, we weren't there. There are so many possibilities, there is no room to call anyone idiots (except the police, who are suppose to be "professional," and no one disagrees here that they did a horrible job)

While I have stated before, I understand (and so should every EMT basic through paramedic, police, firefighter, and anyone who knows a diabetic), the quickness of the onset and how debilitating a diabetic emergency is (while I believe diabetic shock wouldn't have allowed the driver to function, being right on the verge of a diabetic coma...that's just semantics for the lay person), we don't have enough information to put together a perfect picture. Desert Eagle has a point, that diabetics must control so much more of their lives to be safe, and be so much more cautious of early signs of altered mental status, that it is hard for some to understand how this driver could of let this happen. Yes I do understand there are instances that even the most controlled diabetes can have an abrupt emergency.

Before we start jumping down each others throats again, sit back and think about other scenarios.

1. What if the driver knew he hasn't eaten that day...should he have gotten into the car?
2. What if we find out the diabetic person did indeed know the early signs were happening, and still proceeded to try and drive?
3. Why was a diabetic out at 4am? (Going to a job?)
4. Combative behavior is a sign of diabetic crisis, but from my experiences, the behavior wasn't accompanied with strength. (Maybe some other EMT's could chime in if they have had a diabetic pt have enough strength to take on 5 guys). All my diabetic emergencies, the pt could not form a coherent sentence, barely keep their eyes open (lethargy/weakness), or could barely lift an arm...some of the behaviors could have been "combative"...I'll just call it stubborn. My question, and this might be lack of experience with this exact situation, how did someone in diabetic "shock" fight so hard?

on another note...what if this person was not a diabetic?

1. I find it reasonable for 5 officers to take down one person, but was the 6th officer justified in coming in and kicking (any) suspect in the face?
2. Is it professional to laugh about any incident where someone is being hurt?
3. Why did the officer not check to see if the suspect was ok, but only the other officers?

[Deserteagle]

Dang this thread is going downhill fast with personal insults.

Desert Eagle I meant no disrespect when I posted against you.

Everyone else getting in his face about it, let it go. He has a side, let him speak, and rebuttle with honesty and integrity and maybe he will change his mind. Insult him and he won't change his mind.

If more information comes out, and it does indeed look like a diabetic got in a car, knowing full well he did not eat enough for his daily expenditure of sugar, or took his insulin without eating, then yes he is an idiot diabetic for endangering others. We don't know, we weren't there. There are so many possibilities, there is no room to call anyone idiots (except the police, who are suppose to be "professional," and no one disagrees here that they did a horrible job)

While I have stated before, I understand (and so should every EMT basic through paramedic, police, firefighter, and anyone who knows a diabetic), the quickness of the onset and how debilitating a diabetic emergency is (while I believe diabetic shock wouldn't have allowed the driver to function, being right on the verge of a diabetic coma...that's just semantics for the lay person), we don't have enough information to put together a perfect picture. Desert Eagle has a point, that diabetics must control so much more of their lives to be safe, and be so much more cautious of early signs of altered mental status, that it is hard for some to understand how this driver could of let this happen. Yes I do understand there are instances that even the most controlled diabetes can have an abrupt emergency.

Before we start jumping down each others throats again, sit back and think about other scenarios.

1. What if the driver knew he hasn't eaten that day...should he have gotten into the car?
2. What if we find out the diabetic person did indeed know the early signs were happening, and still proceeded to try and drive?
3. Why was a diabetic out at 4am? (Going to a job?)

on another note...what if this person was not a diabetic?

1. I find it reasonable for 5 officers to take down one person, but was the 6th officer justified in coming in and kicking (any) suspect in the face?
2. Is it professional to laugh about any incident where someone is being hurt?
3. Why did the officer not check to see if the suspect was ok, but only the other officers?

Thanks for putting my point into a nice, clear, respectful argument. As you suggested, I have changed my mind significantly because as some have pointed out, and as I have pointed out as well after doing some reading, not all diabetics will recognize and react to the onset of a diabetic shock, but some will. And as you pointed out, there are many things a person can do to be prepared for one, and to make sure one does not happen in the first place.

With this situation, we just do not know whether he chose to keep driving knowing the risks, or if his mental capacity was already too diminished to recognize it and react to it appropriately. I take back calling him an idiot, and as I told Punch, Im giving him the benefit of the doubt.

To be fair, I shouldnt call the police idiots either, although I do not agree with their actions.

[MYGLOCK]

At the end of the video did an office put a can of beer on the trunk lid of the suspect's car? Looks like a can of Budweiser.

[Bigcarlover]

Where I was working and was primary Ems responder for the town, we were required to respond to all suspected DUI calls because of the fact that a diabetic emergency can mimic a drunk.
If he is found to be in a diabetic emergency then he is no longer under arrest, and becomes my patient. That was handled very poorly!!

Just curious how many you've helped this way.

As for those that may think the driver should have had the conciousness to know what what going on... I had a family member pass out. If she knew what was happening she would have tried to call for help. We called and her toddler answered saying "Mommy fell asleep on the floor and she won't wake up." We dialed 911.