You have to read this.

[Ruger Lady]

This is posts from another forum but it lets you know what some LEO'S think about people with CCL/CCP. Maybe it was posted before but I didn't find it.

Disarming CCW carriers. - Police Forums & Law Enforcement Forums @ Officer.com

Just shameful.

[NDS]

Originally Posted by Ruger Lady

This is posts from another forum but it lets you know what some LEO'S think about people with CCL/CCP. Maybe it was posted before but I didn't find it.0

Disarming CCW carriers. - Police Forums & Law Enforcement Forums @ Officer.com

Page after page of the usual hate-filled arrogance and disrespect officers demonstrate towards 'mere' citizens; more proof that those who would choose positions of authority are likely the ones who should not have it.

Soon the apologists will be along with all of the expected 'cops can do no wrong' and if you're mistreated it's only because you deserve it comments.

:bicycle:

[HK4U]

Can you say ABUSE OF POWER?. There ae many good LEO's but there are some who think that just because they wear a badge they are above everyone else. It is a shame because the few that are like the above give a bad name to the others.

[kwo51]

My stops have been very well done. Presented CCW with DL .Officer Asked if I had it ? yes I had 2 45 inbetween seats and 32 in pocket. Never asked to see them or even talked about them.

[HowardCohodas]

These remarks are so contrary to my personal experience with LEO's so far. Sounds like I've been lucky.
It makes you wonder if some of these LEO's ever had a psychological profile as part of their hiring process. And if they did, how were they accepted?

[FN1910]

I don't really think that these posts represent even a small minority of LEO's and wonder at times if those even are LEO to start with. However the attitudes range all over the place on how to handle anything. For instance watch this and see how you would handle it if you were a LEO and if you were the one being stopped. Usually the most vocal ones about these types of things are in the minority whether right or wrong. If this has been posted before I apologize but......

https://www.checkpointusa.org/DHS/video/BPRoadblock.wmv

[PascalFleischman]

Those jackbooted thugs are from Detroit, DC, and CA. Are we surprised AT ALL? They keep saying, "Just deal with not having your gun for 15 minutes...." I'm surprised nobody has replied back, "Why don't you do the same & see how it feels?" Glad I live where citizen carry isn't a big deal. Been pulled over twice since getting my license, & the most acknowledgement I've ever received is "Please keep your hands on the steering wheel and we won't have a problem."

[whiptrackercracker]

WOW..Yeah a few of the LEO opinions are a bit gruff. A few need to ride along with other LEO across the country. :) In that manner a few of the CCW are being a bit out there too. I've yet to be disarmed, but I try not to break the law or get pulled over either. The few times I have had an encounter were just the "Just don't shoot me", type of encounters. I expect that disarming may happen especially in the inner cities. It sucks but the consequences for the officers could be bad if they did not. I think the gist of importance in this debate is RESPECT. Be respectful, polite, and follow instructions to the letter when the officer arrives. Be respectful, polite, and understanding when you arrive at the car you just pulled over. 99 percent of the officers out there are very pro 2A and ccw. There are just a few that have no background in guns, and all they see with firearms is violence. I personally cannot blame them for their attitudes. Its up to LEO and CCW as a community to educate understand and respect that we are all on the same side. We are all in one way or another sheepdogs!!! Carry on Law Enforcment....Carry on CCW!!!

[Canis-Lupus]

Damn! Some angry anti-CCW posts inluded this link posted to this thread! Disarming CCW carriers. - Police Forums & Law Enforcement Forums @ Officer.com . Kent-State vet officers maybe? I have no posting rights nor want them on that forum but if you do, and find this a worthy counter to some way-anal Gestapo-style cops feel free to cut & paste this right into that forum.
I wonder what would be some of those NWO-cops attitude towards me if I were driving by and saw 5-7 BG's who had over-powered & disarmed a solitary cop and were busy trying to kill that cop? So my (lawful) instincts tell me to pull over, call for back-up, dismount, draw and yell: "Halt or I WILL shoot!" They stop with the boots, fists, lead-pipes and blades just long enough to tell me to go F-myself! So I issue 1 last warning and move closer to a covered bullet stopping object. Now the BG's focus is on me and the dying cop may not get that final blow that takes 'em out! I take aim @ center of mass on the advancing quickly at me BIG BG, U betya I am now 'fearing for my life' (I just met the 1st criteria for the next stage or use of deadly force). So I drop one mean bent on ripping me to sherds BG with just enough 9mm COR©BON 117gr JHP's to make that BG 'lay down' & stay down. Or I find myself taking return fire from the disabled cop's 'borrowed' weapon, or the BG's 'Saturday Night specials' they are now using on me! Stop, drop, roll 3 seconds into a lo-profile flat on my belly prone firing position, reload another 10-rd mag and know I have 4, 5 or 8 more left, and if I'm still breathing aim and drop more advancing or firing @ me BG's until the status-quo returns; they all lay down (by choice or by GS-wounds) or the smartest scatter, or they drop me and that was indeed a very bad day for me to go 4 a drive. Call 911 on my cell phone (again) with 'Officer down', quick report of my 20 and what I look like (biggy), go render aid to the cop who may be thankful I was out & about that day with my CC-permit & weapon, and maybe shoot a few more rounds into mildly wounded BG 's still trying to complicate the already FUBAR mess. Wait for the cavalry to arrive, slowly put my weapon away and hands up, now I take all orders from them and cuffs probably go on unless they figure out I am a medical-trained fella and I'm trying to save their buddy's life until an ambulance shows up. WA RCW's state it is legal to use deadly force in WA if coming to the aid of a LEO who asks for your help. 'Implied consent' is a medico-legal term used when we found an unresponsive 'man-down'. The law (in most states) presumes that the 'man-down' would have asked for help if they were able to, so I break-out my EMT/BLS-kit, do a primary & secondary survey, apply pressure dressings and treat blood-loss, shock and check for an exit wound, often much worse than the entrance wound. Cop survives and now I'm a good guy, or am I? BG's still alive go down for years hard time, dead BG's 4 good and hopefully the dash-mounted cop's CC-cam tells my story like I did, not like the (surviving) BG's surely will if it was not running nor any witnesses provided sworn evidence to support my actions. Things could go south here if there were no CC-cams & the main witness, the cop dies! Now surviving BG's have it all worked out. "This nutty dude with a gun rolled in during a routine cop-stop we were ALL cooperating with your honor and just started shooting up the place!", long trial ahead I guess. In WA there is a responsibility for anyone who travels our roads to stop and render aid at the scene of an incident/accident involving injury or property loss, even if that aid is just to report it (2 B called as a witness later) or maybe just direct traffic away from the gore more attractive to some 'ghouls' than Disney Land free trips! With a CCW-permit and a gun that ups the ante to the nth-power of responding to anyone getting the life beat out of them. There is also an RCW that states that deadly force is authorized to prevent a slaying, assault, trespass, etc, and I would meet that law if this played out per the way the law is supposed to run with it. But if I just cruised on by and let that cop (or anyone) get beat to death without even reporting what I saw, then there are also laws that make me culpable for failure to render aid if someone reported me not stopping, and many may with one quick cell-phone call, I will find myself in court.
So in closing I wonder just how many of those LEO's with the mind-set that no one but a cop should carry anything but a loaded cell-phone understand that if it were them on the ground and looking at certain death that I could have prevented, or you could have, or drove on by not caring, stopping and helping can save a life or ruin yours for trying, a gamble only the smartest figure out. There is a LOT of misery for now messed-up victim and their loved ones dealing with invalid you in spending a life-time in a wheel-chair with a broken spine, or hooked to a machine or in a vegetative state in a long-term care facility for years, bankrupting many loved ones just to keep them 'alive' where they send those who do not have Advanced Medical Directives and assign someone they trust to act on their behalf with a good solid Power of Attorney. A few documents it is vital to have filed with the right folks/institutions, or one day risk a 'life' (if U want to call that body alive but brain-dead state living) of adult pampers, Ensure liquid protein goop pumped through NG tubes all day every day and bed-sores as big as fists at $2-3K a week make keeping you 'alive & vegged' a legal requirement of this state (and others) per the DNR forms you maybe 4-got to file that would have let a loved one un-plug you and let you go with some dignity & a LOT less cost or misery.
I plan on following this thread to see what other patrons have to say. Just added some more to it [as usual] to stick my pointed stick into the USA Carry bees-hive! Not to piss U off... but to make you think. I already know this stuff and my post-encounter vegetative yet still clinically alive remains are not indef VA or HMO or state 'gomers home' bound because I planned ahead. Are yours as clean & tight as your shooter? Kudos if they are!
Regards, silence is golden, flames R not productive dialogue.

Canis-Lupus :icon_exclaim:

[Glock Fan]

Rest assured folks, I did some research on the folks posting some of the more outrageous comments. They're not really LEO. More like "Mall Ninja" wanna be types. Some folks have nothing better to do than to post stuff that will PO the average citizen. :invision: Keep in mind that that forum is open to non-LEO and is subject to the rules of the forum.

Like television was while growing up, now we have to keep in mind that we can't believe everything we hear/see on the internet.



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